Speaker 1: C h b m p dot org space. Please give us just a few minutes to get situated, and we will get started. Hi, Andy. How are you doing? Hello, Gail? Hi, Deborah. Good to see you. Miriam? Speaker 2: How are you doing, Gail? Oh my goodness. We have lots of stuff to talk about from our yesterday or yesterday's experience with the bus. Speaker 1: So much good Yeah. That was amazing. There were so many stories coming out from the bus yesterday. Tell us all about that. Speaker 2: Yeah. So here's the crazy thing. So the Houston there was a lot of stories coming out when they were in Houston too. So the CHD bus is incredible. They're doing the they're they're document going around the country documenting the just people's stories. You know, you go sign up to tell your story on the bus and then Polly takes your story. And it's they're they're doing all sorts of kinda like what we do here. Right? The COVID humanity the the COVID crimes against humanity, the eyewitnesses just they're just collecting these these stories, and it's called, vaxxed, unvaxxed, the people study. Right? So they're they're documenting victims of vaccines overall and, COVID crimes against humanity. And so they're doing, they're focused on the vaccines and the shot injured and dead and the protocols. And so so Cece, Carolyn Blakeman, did a great interview with the 25 commonalities in Houston. And then, Liz Dewey and Vanessa Tilley, who's one of our interviewers, and Lisa Butler, who's our new Texas state chair, all were down there and and told their stories on the bus, and they're they're all very good. So people need to go and and and watch those. And then Andy rode down with us to Tyler, Texas yesterday, and, me and Huckleberry and, we met some people down there. And so, we met, Jenny Jenny Rodriguez whose mother was killed in, you know, murdered in a hospital near Tyler. And here's the incredible part. So Jenny was first on the bus. And, so she she gives her story, and Polly just loves former feds group. Right? The CHD people, they're just they just wanna do a lot of stuff with us. So they're they tell victims about us so that we can support them and they can tell their stories, and we can, you know, we kind of work together. And so Jenny is talking about the work she does with former feds after she tells the story about her mom being murdered in this hospital. And then she's done, and another woman gets on the bus and tearfully tells this story of her mother being killed in a hospital. And Polly says, are you a member of the former feds too? And she says, no. I don't know what that is. I've never heard of them. And so she said, well, they're gonna take care of you. And she introduces her to Jenny who brings her to me and but Jenny is talking to her and finds out their mothers died were killed at the same hospital. Not only were their mothers killed at the same hospital, they were killed on the same day at the same hospital. And so that was a a just this incredible connection. It was definitely a God thing. Like, it was such a connection. And she was so thankful. Like, Lisa Butler came down there to support us. That was so amazing. And so she was so thankful to have to connect with people that understood. You know? And then, there was a gal down there with her son who was telling the story of her vaccine injured son, and she sees Andy and starts crying. Like, Andy's her neighbor, and, Andy's dad, I think, treated her son, was the first one to, you know, tell her, you know, believe her. What she told me was he believe doctor k. She called him. She said doctor k believed me and helped me, and here's his you know, I didn't know he was gonna be here. So so her interview was right before Andy's interview. So, you know, her son's story, her life was so positively impacted by Andy's dad. Andy's dad's a doctor who was who was killed killed murdered in his in by his by his own in a in a hospital. And, and so that was just, like, this incredible thing. You know? She's telling a story that includes, you know, Andy's dad's legacy, and then Andy gets up gets in there and tells the story of how his dad was killed. And that was really powerful to me. And then me and Huckleberry, our interview took about an hour, actually, but but Polly had a lot of questions. So, but that it was good. It was good. Huckleberry's Huckleberry and I did that one together, which is, you know, a rarity. So, but it was just it was so positive. If people have a story, they need to go look at that schedule and get on that, get get your story told on the bus, then you sign the bus. And this is the third time I think they've done it. So if you haven't seen vaxxed and unvac vaxxed and vaxxed two, That'll give you, a good idea of what they're about. Speaker 4: And and Polly can y'all hear me okay? Because I'm driving. Polly told me after I did the interview with her about the 25 commonalities, she was like, oh my gosh. We are about to do a documentary, and we want to work with y'all. We wanna do a documentary on these commonalities. And, I think that you and you and I stood doing this together. So that, I got she already got my number and emailed me. So we're gonna start working with her and the CHD group on a, on that. Yep. And I think that's gonna be very exciting because, you know, they're doing the vax and the protocol. But I do wanna say that shedding is real, so be prepared. Yeah. I had, I had an experience yesterday. I know doctor Witcher's on, and he and I text about this. But, of course, I'm down there volunteering as well as doing the interviewing and came across vaccine injured people. And so, I had a reaction to that, which was kind of frightening, but I called the right people, and they got me straightened out. But my throat actually swelled shut when I got home, and it was the weirdest feeling. It was like having allergic reaction if, like, you're allergic to bees or something. I had a mild headache, and then my throat, was swollen shut. So, all I can say is if you're gonna be in an in an area or an event that has a lot of vaccine, or vaccinated people. I actually called doctor Judy Makovich, and she told me what to do. She's like, you've been boosted. Mhmm. Because that's, that was probably, you know, the the most people around there probably had boosted. So do do preparation before you go there. Take your vitamins, take your ivermectin, your dino kinase, all that good stuff, and, be prepared because what it told me though is, you know, the how some people, just die right there from the vaccine because they're allergic to it, the anaphylactic shock. That probably would have been me. So, yeah, I'm I'm gonna be prepared. She told me to continue on the ivermectin for a couple days, but, I'm back to normal thinking this. It was a scary little thing, though, but that that's the only thing I can attribute it to because I didn't need anything different. I didn't know it wasn't didn't change anything except, you know, volunteer on the on the CHD bus where vaccinated people were telling their stories. Speaker 2: So it was kinda interesting. That's a great that's a really cool experience too. I mean, I just I love the work that she's doing, and I'm so glad we're you know, she said that to me too that she wants to do so much more with us, and I I like that. She I was very impressed with her. Speaker 4: Yeah. She's she's extremely sweet and just just so caring and and listens to every bit of your stories. And I said it with Lisa because she was a Yeah. She was a little emotional. So, she it was it was a nice experience. I encourage everybody to find out where the best is gonna be and really go tell your story. Yeah. And it's live. So it's I mean, people can watch it right there live. Yeah. I think that it it's heading Mississippi next. And I yeah. Mississippi. So and Speaker 2: and and then Tennessee, I think, after that. So, we'll put the link in the chat so you can look at the schedule. You just sign up. They'll contact you. I thought Vanessa's, Vanessa Tilly's interview was really good too. People people need to watch that one and then, like, watch all the other ones because it gives this amazing perspective of early on. You know, and because her husband was murdered way early in you know, before the shots or anything. But It's 2020. Yeah. In 2020. And so it just gives you this perspective of first of all, what hit me was how long this has been going on. When I watched that interview, I was like, oh my goodness. Like, even I forget how long it was going on. And I can't imagine the stress and the pain of the early on and just carrying that until the rest of the damn world woke up. Right? Like, I mean, Speaker 4: it's so Right. And interviewing people this time Speaker 8: entire time. Incredible. Speaker 2: So go and if that's a good that was the one in that was one of them in Houston. I I think if you watch that one and then watch other ones, it really gives you kind of a great perspective. I know that I know it was it was it just made me think about a lot of things I hadn't thought about before, but it was good. I'm gonna kinda talk about the rules a little bit since before we get too far into it, but, and I'm just gonna everybody's pretty much familiar with the rules. So, one, if you're not speaking, but you have your you know, if you're not speaking, keep yourself muted, so we don't get background noise and you know? I'm the worst one. So, everybody always tells me I can hear you typing. I'll try to mute myself too. To, let you know, try to keep on topic. We usually get a lot of people, who who are queued up to speak and want to speak. And so, just kinda keep the the topic is COVID related crimes against humanity, eyewitnesses speak out. So that's eyewitnesses, you know, victims, eyewitnesses, people who've been impacted, the people who've been fighting this, the nurses, doctors, blah blah blah blah. So, like, let's keep it on the COVID related crimes against humanity and try not to go off on all these things. Trolls. We do get people who try to troll us. We don't owe you a platform. We're not going to put up with any of your nonsense. And if you're one of those regulars that come on and just come on with a very new a new profile or whatever. If you do manage to get through the gatekeepers and get a speaker spot, as soon as I hear your voice and recognize it, you're out of here. So, I mean, that's just the way it is. We this is for people who have been harmed, censored, all that stuff. Not for you. You've had four years to push your propaganda. You know, try to be respectful even if you disagree with somebody. And if you want to speak and, speak and tell you we we'd love to have people tell their stories, especially those hospital protocol stories that people have a hard time believing, the, you know, the treachery and the murder that's going on in hospitals. Please, please press the little, looks like a speaker, at the bottom left of your screen, and somebody will let you will invite you to speak. If you're done speaking and you, don't want to say anything else, just drop yourself down to listener, and that'll open up a speaker spot. Did I miss anything, Andy or Chelsea or Cece? Speaker 4: No. Just watch for invites because we send some you guys' mics. You might not see it. If you wanna accept it, to speak, then please do. Speaker 2: I think you've covered everything. Okay. So then the first person, so it's gonna go Deborah, Miriam, doctor, Marge, Vanessa, Charlene. So Deborah, Miriam first. Deborah. Speaker 9: Let someone else come come to me, please. Speaker 2: Miriam. Speaker 10: Hi, everyone. Speaker 2: Hello. Speaker 11: I don't have much tonight. I just wanted to, Speaker 10: to, say, I did see the interviews on the CHT bus, and you'll you guys all did a great job. Really, really, really happy about how things are progressing. I think that, we're putting a lot of pressure and gaining a lot of allies. And, on that note, I am gonna put something in the chat just in case anybody wants to catch up, but, I am sure everybody is aware of Davos, the World Economic Forum. Oh, yeah. They're a big player in the COVID crimes against humanity. Wanted to just let people know that, I have a I wrote a substack that summarizes essentially what's going on around this week and kinda rolled in some other things that, are going to actually look like they're gonna be coming in the next two to three to four months, around the little trap that they wanna set for the world. So if you wanna read that, I thought you should know that. And then one other thing I noticed today, and I just was mostly, I want to ask if anybody else had seen this relative to vaxxers. I read an article on now's course. I've had so much coming at me that I couldn't remember where I saw it. Did anybody see an article or, about a hospital who is vaccinating their staff for Ebola and their shedding going on? Speaker 4: Yes. I know that we've been under a, and we're actually an emergency health, I don't know. I forgot what they call it. Emergency health thing for since about a couple months ago, and it's for till 2028, I believe, for Ebola and Marburg even though we haven't had a single case in The United States yet. So, dance doctor Jansy Lindsay just sent me that the other day, and let me, look at it and see what exactly what it says. Give me a second. But, yeah, I have heard that, Mary Anne. Yeah. So I was just really concerned seeing all these things converging, Speaker 10: because I think that the pressure that is being put on them, not just from our organization, but from many, many people, becoming awake now, I think they're trying to accelerate their agenda a bit. So I'm I'm just gonna put that in the chat, and, thank you for letting me speak. Speaker 2: Are you there? Speaker 4: Yes. We are here. I was just looking for that. Sorry about that. Oh, I just wanna multitask. I'd cut myself off or something. Speaker 10: Okay. Speaker 4: Nope. Yeah. I'm looking for that, that notice that she sent me. But, yeah, thank you for sharing that. I'll get back to y'all as soon as I find my glasses and I can read it. That's what I'm looking for. Thank you very much. Of course. Anytime. Who is next? Doctor Margaret. Deborah Mose? Speaker 1: Doctor Margaret. Doctor Margaret. Speaker 13: Hi. Good. Good evening. Thank you so much for, moving me up here to speaker. Happy to be here. Recognize a lot of, familiar faces here. And, Miriam, I just subscribed to your substack, and I'm recommending it on mine at the rebel patient. So I apologize to everyone for the lack of, physician compassion during the last four years and much more so than that, the number of doctors that fell for the money and, decided it was more important to keep their house and their job than to save their patients. So I there's just no other way that I can say that. I followed everybody on here, so I would also encourage you to follow everybody back because it's a good opportunity for us to stick together. And thank you so much for having me here. The last thing I will say, for people that don't know me, I had a near death experience and was disabled in bed for twelve years. I was told I was crazy and, just need Valium by a lot of different doctors. So, I know what it's like to be treated like it's all in your head when it's, you know, it's really a real thing. And, and so I also, got visited by the Medical Board of California. They came to my house and demanded charts from three patients, I actually who did not give their permission, and, so I refused and put my license in the mail back to them. I went I did what a lot of other doctors have done and started a private member association, which is a research practice that allows me to do what everybody else is doing in the sense that I'm still practicing, how to take care of people within a construct. Thank you so very much for being here, and I want to also let you know that God is bigger than any of your problems. God healed me from my dysautonomia. Couldn't even stand up. Could not say the word the. I had a brain injury, and I was in bed for twelve years. Thank you so much. Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for coming. I'm so glad you're better. I did find that declaration is what it's called, and let me read it real quick or some of it. It says I just lost my spot. Okay. Notice a declaration under the public readiness and emergency preparedness act for countermeasures against Ebola and, Marburg virus, and it was signed in on 01/01/2024, so very recent. And it goes until the same day, 01/01/2028. Kinda weird when since there's been no cases yet, but it says I am amending the prep act declaration for countermeasures against Marburg to cover countermeasures previously covered in the declaration of Ebola. So guess what's coming? Vaccines and other covered countermeasures for three, what, three four years now. It's it's it's just crazy. It's just more ways to get control and to scare people, so don't fall for it. I can send I can put this in the in the nest if y'all would like to see it. Alrighty. Who is next? Was it Deborah or and there's two Deborah's, I think. Speaker 14: Vanessa is next. Okay. Thanks for keeping track, Chelsea. Vanessa, go ahead. Hey, guys. I just wanted to say, you know, you know, doing the interview on the bus was so amazing, and Polly is amazing. The one thing that I thought I found profound is that I was in the parking lot waiting my turn, and a girl that went in, her grandchildren are now injured from the vaccine. And when I looked at her video, I realized, like, oh my gosh. You know, I could be in the same situation with my daughter because my daughter's a nurse, and she didn't take the vaccine. And she's she doesn't have children yet. But the thing that's you know, we're talking about how God works in mysterious ways. Somebody recognized my husband's picture on my shirt, and that was the support that I got when Craig was in the hospital. And she was there to support Vivian. So if you get a chance to look at Vivian's grandchildren injured, we all came together, and I was just, like, mesmerized. It's like, god is moving in mysterious ways, bringing us all together. And, you know, I just think that, you know, I vaccinated my children back in the day. Another friend of mine, that I went to high school with, her son is autistic because he took all the vaxxes back in 1990. And so there's just so much information that's out there, and we just pray that, you know, everybody can get, you know, more information about it and just do research. And I think that the bus is a great, great voice for all of us. Thank you. Speaker 4: It is true, and it's so weird how everyone's I mean, it's totally god, obviously, but it it's just so awesome how everyone's connecting and and seeing people. I think it was Lisa who actually saw somebody that she had been speaking to that had never met in person. And I don't it it's just it's just neat how we're all coming together and standing together. So, Speaker 2: That is amazing. Speaker 4: Yep. Charlene. Speaker 12: Hey. Good evening, everyone. Hey. So New Jersey's had a little bit of a rough week, you know, because we, a bunch of about I think about seven to nine of us have filed pro se. And, you know, the clerk, in my county, really gave me a hard time and, you know, because I was filing pro se and, wouldn't help me, wouldn't wouldn't answer any of my questions. And, I had to go back a second time because I filed first for my mom, and then I filed for my, my stepdad, like, the next week or so. And, and I went in there again, and she's somebody else was waiting on me, and then she was just, like, pushing her aside so she could get in front of my face again. So this time, I said, well, you know she goes, well, I can't help you with the questions. I said, well, guess what? I read that little pamphlet that you gay you gave me last time, and I said, and you can answer my questions. Like, it's it was just disgusting that I had to be in front of this woman. But we we got it done. And, Lori filed in, the January, And and we were waiting and waiting, and then so we were getting ready to serve, but we needed the docket numbers. And, when we were looking up trying to get Laurie's docket, there wasn't a docket number. So here we are. What's today? Today is the twentieth. We found this out yesterday, or Thursday, that the I don't I don't know that if it was the clerk's office, but whoever assigns the docket docket number, they, refused to allow her to file pro se and said she cannot file a complaint complaint in New Jersey. You have to be an attorney. So the rest of us filed pro se, but this woman's making a judgment and not even letting her get in front of a judge. And she's you know? So we got a plan for her on Monday. And, and it they cashed her check and everything. So we had that going on. And, you know, a little bit of spirit breaking here and there, but we got through it. You know, God God is amazing. There's some things that are, you know, happening here moving forward and, you know, you gotta keep you gotta pray because God's amazing. He opens up things, and you just gotta pay attention. And everything does happen for a reason. So then, I found, I found this woman. She she found us, should I say, in New Jersey. And, I've been talking to her the last week or two weeks. Here, she's a doctor. Her husband's a doctor, and they murdered her husband. So he was in the in the front lines. He had taken a job. He used to be a private practice as internal medicine, and he decided to work for Crozer in, Pennsylvania. And he was in the front lines. And he was like minded. He didn't like the remdesivir, saw what was happening, very vocal. But so when his wife and his family got sick, he would take care of them, but then he got sick. And that sickness lingered. Like, he you know? And so, what I come to find out is, so when he was sick, he went into the same hospital system, that I'm in. So there's, like, four or five of us now. And, and the hospital that he went into, he worked at for years, and he knew everybody there. And he's telling his wife, don't don't worry. Like, I just need a little oxygen. You know? And, and I'll you know, I know these people. I worked with them for I don't know if it was, like, ten years. I he knew them. So he went in there by ambulance, got oxygen, got in there. They started him with remdesivir. He was getting worse. He said stop. You know, I don't want this this remdesivir. And, and it was documented in the medical records that he did not want remdesivir. And I don't know all the details, but what I can say is is that he was pushing back and giving them a hard time, and they intubated him. Now, she's gotta look through the medical records to see what they put down, whether was it for behavior that they intubated him? Because he wasn't cooperating. He was very vocal. So we have to find that out. So once they intubated him and nobody was allowed in the hospital, they started him on remdesivir again. And and, actually, when he came in the hospital in the beginning, a doctor wrote he'd already been two weeks into his illness. Remdesivir is not, you know, he said no no remdesivir because it's not gonna help him. And but they gave him the remdesivir a second time when he said no, and, and he died. And, and then I just found out, yesterday that he had been vaccinated, twice with Pfizer. And, she's got some she's got some proof of, you know, what it what it did to him. Visually, you know, she's got got evidence. And, so there's a there's a lot, going on with her, and, we're trying to help her get everything together. And I think that, once that's done, I I I think that it's gonna be a very powerful statement here in New Jersey because he was a hero and he was saving lives. So and the company that he was working for, it wasn't Crozer. I think that the contract is with, like, some and there's some connection. He worked in Crozer, but they are denying his life insurance. And they're saying that because, of COVID that we were under this COVID, that they didn't have to tell him or his wife that they were canceling the policy. So it's just crazy crazy crazy shit. So I just wanted to share that story and kinda kinda like where we are in New Jersey. You know? We're, you know, we're battling it out and, you know, we're we we have a lot of strategy that that we're going back and forth with. But we really support each other and, work well together. I've I mean, it's just it's thank god. You know? We're really good together, and, you know, everybody's got a set of skills. And so, you know, we got a lot planned. We just was stomping at the bit if you know what I mean. You guys do you guys do you guys have such a a Speaker 2: great team of diverse diverse talents and use them wisely. Speaker 12: Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I I feel blessed. I mean, even with, you know, all of you too. I mean, we all work really well together. We got the common goal and we gotta remember. We got a big giant fight and, you know, gotta pull it to you know, keep it together. That's a fact. On that call me tomorrow on that note, actually. Okay. Speaker 14: Can I add Gail and Charlene? You know, I missed the status meeting when I filed pro se, and that's when I went to the court and I had a hearing, and I had dismissed without prosecution. Yeah. So make sure you don't miss that status meeting that they might send you four months later. I did not get notified. Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah. They play they're they're tricky over here, Speaker 2: and they just It's amazing to me that in New Jersey like that in any state, but in new, like, in New Jersey, they just tell you you you can't file anything pro se. Like, you can't represent yourself. Like, that's that seems like it'd be unconstitutional. But but it was and it said told me. Speaker 12: Yeah. The what they told you, what what Vanessa you couldn't file pro se? Speaker 14: Correct. They said I filed it. I missed a status meeting when I went to the hearing. Oh, right. Cannot represent itself and I was buying time. Speaker 12: That's it's it's so it's so crazy. And and here's the thing. Right? The reason why that was put in place was because there was a gentleman that abused the system. So technically, this pro se you can't do pro se really doesn't have to do with us because we're not abusing the system. We're usually using it properly. And, you know, yeah, we're we're gonna we're gonna punch back and and and we're not gonna take it. But I know it's not gonna be easy. But together, I think, you know, with God and all, we could we could we could get it done. Speaker 4: Y'all are doing amazing things, and I think there's gonna be getting a good coming for you soon. Speaker 12: Yes. I think so. Speaker 4: But this Yeah. Process Speaker 14: because I did not get notification of the status when you were supposed to notify the hospital that you were suing them. Speaker 4: The end and the intent to sue letter? Correct. And it's different for every state. Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah. We had to do that within, like, ten days. So we we we just serve them. Speaker 4: We can still do that with Anessa and Vanessa knows for fraud. Since that's a longer statute. Yeah. Yeah. Which seems to be the way that it's working out. I don't know if everybody heard, but another case made it past the compact, this week. So very good news. Who who who was that? It's a a case in California. Speaker 2: California. Warner Matthews. Speaker 4: Yes. Yeah. Of course. There they are. They're not as covered as Speaker 2: as I thought they were. Plus, he's you know, like, he's just very creative and brilliant. So mhmm, I I I like his courage. Speaker 4: We have a lot of good service working on these things. Courageous ones. Speaker 2: Well, thanks for that update, Charlene. So next, we next, we have Sam I was, and then after Sam I was, doctor Samad. And I hope I didn't butcher that name, but Sam I was and then doctor Samad. Speaker 15: Oh, hi, everyone. Thanks for having me up. I am, over two and a half years, one Pfizer, severely injured. And aside from my story, my goal into coming up tonight is to ask, for the resources of the humanity, project. I have been reaching out to all of my local representatives and even upcoming candidates here in Nevada. And I have found a GOP senate candidate who is aware of what's going on on kind of all the levels from the vaccine injury to the hospital protocols to just the impact that the lock lockdown had. She's interested. She's supportive. And she has invited me to speak at a virtual town hall that she is hosting next week on Tuesday. And I was wondering because I'm reaching out to all of, like, the vaccine people that I know, injured people in, Nevada. I was wondering is, through the project that you have working on or that you're working on, do you know of any Nevada specific people that may be interested in speaking up and out at a town hall for Nevada? I know it's a long shot, but I'm just kinda reaching out to all the different groups. And I listen in to this group all the time so that I'm educated on the different ways that, you know, everything is just going horrible here. And I thought that maybe you would be a good resource if you knew of anyone in this state who would be interested in telling their story and sharing, Speaker 4: what's going on. Yeah. We actually have nine victims in Nevada documented, and we have, an attorney out there that's taken a couple cases. But he is, taking cases across the country, actually. But he's licensed in Nevada, and I can try to connect you guys. Speaker 15: That would be great. I think it's I mean, at least from my small point of view, I mean, like I said, I'm severely of severe dysautonomia. I'm how I've been housebound. I mean, I'm really not in a great way, and so I can't really get out there per se. Mhmm. But I am doing the best that I can from, you know, a keyboard and phone calls to reach out to people to just, you know, gain some visibility here. And if I have the ear of someone, even if it's just, you know, a candidate, I certainly wanted to do my best to pull people together to show up in numbers. Oh, yeah. Just to raise awareness. Speaker 4: Our our cases that we have documented might be hospital protocol. I'm not sure that That's fantastic. Speaker 15: The Okay. I I think and I think that's the other thing too is I I think the at least in my opinion, the best way for moving forward is not just drilling down on one aspect of, you know, just my vaccine injury, but all of the COVID collateral damage, to show the extent of how far reaching this was and what they put society through. And that's why I just I I'm reaching out to even, like, the military accountability people to see, if they had anyone that was state specific. I just felt it was important to show the range of what's happened and to, you know, try to show up a number. So I wanted to see if I could connect with any of you, just to see if there was anyone who, you know, you knew in the state who might wanna speak next week. Speaker 4: Yeah. We can reach out to them definitely, and, I could try to get Sonny on. Maybe he knows the people out there. Great. Speaker 2: We need to, get the details of, I guess, the event, but, also, I the bus that children's health defense bus is Speaker 15: I know it's coming out in March. And I think it's the same time that the, like, the attorney, like, the legal convention is going on here as well for that was in Atlanta before, and now there's one coming to Las Vegas. I think those are all those two events are happening in March, out here, the legal summit. Okay. So I'm aware of those. And I just, you know, I've reached out to, like I said, just a few people that I know from our support groups. But I I just I wanted to see if there were any other avenues to just pull people together because I think unless we show up in numbers. Yes. You know, everyone's gonna be able to keep marginalizing people and, you know, especially for people like me who, you know, I'm relegated to my house here. You know, you're you're kinda I've been knocked out of society. And so how do you get to show up? You know? And I'm you just wanna do my part. So I didn't know if I should, shoot an email to, the project itself, the, humanity betrayal memorial, like, emails or something. But I thought because I I I listen to you guys on the weekends when I can. I thought maybe this would be a good time just to step up and ask and see how best to connect with you or if to give you my contact information. So if you do find Nevada people, you could put them in touch with me. I can share the event if it's something they're interested in. Speaker 4: Yeah. You can, I think my email is actually on the website? Is that true still, Toby? Speaker 2: I don't know. But it you wanna just it's carolyn dot blakeman. So we're Speaker 15: Yes. I think I did I did see that email on there. Okay. Okay. You can switch. Okay. Fantastic. And that's and just because I didn't know. So that's American daughter granddaughter? Speaker 4: Yes. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Speaker 15: Uh-huh. Look at everyone's name. So, yeah, so I'll just shoot you an email and I'll provide you my contact information. I'll also provide you the flyer for the event so that you know it's real. And then if yeah. If there's anyone that you would wanna connect me with, I'd really appreciate it. I'm just trying to make a good showing here, you know, how far reaching things are. So thank you for your time, and thanks for having me up. I really appreciate it. No problem. Thanks for coming. Of course. Can I say one can I say one thing? Speaker 12: Sam, so with the dysautonomia, are you getting help with for that? Speaker 15: Well, I mean, I I am trying a treatment protocol. So there's, there is a specialty, a doctor who made a presentation to react nineteen, which I'm sure I hope you guys have heard of before. Right. It's specialty testing, and I am attempting I'm in, like, my fifth month of dysautonomia treatment through him. They said it's, you know, slow go. It could take nine to twelve months. You know, I'm just trying to regain any type of functionality. My list of injury is I mean, it's long. It's mast cell activation. It's it's the whole gamut. Speaker 12: Well, I I have, dysautonomia. And if you ever wanna chat about it, you know, just message me through, you know, this the Twitter, and, and we we can talk if you ever wanna Speaker 15: Fantastic. I'll give you a follow right now. That's awesome. I I really appreciate it. I think, you know, I went to bed vaccinated and I woke up disabled, not even recognizing my own country, not even recognizing what I thought were doctors. I mean, it's this is a brutal wake up. And, you know, you're not only are you, you know, dealing with the fallout financially, physically, emotionally, mentally, taking in what has happened here and then learning about, like, the hospital protocol stories, learning about the mandates to the military. I mean, there's so much here and even the long COVID people. I mean, I just I always feel like it's best to pull together because the numbers, I feel, is what's gonna make a difference here. And no one's gonna pay attention unless we make them. Right. Right. And, you know, I I think like the rest of us, we're all tired of being told we're nuts and this isn't happening, and it's like living in a twilight zone. Absolutely. Speaker 6: Absolutely. Speaker 15: And it's, you know, psychologically, on top of the physical injury, the psychological injury that's happening here is very intense. At least it is for me. Speaker 12: Yeah. Well, let's let's connect you and I, and and we'll do, you know, what you know, what I know, and maybe there's something I know that could help or vice versa. That would be fantastic. I think, you know, we're trying to do things locally with, Speaker 15: politicians, with representatives, you know, to have the state by state kind of chapters of injury is really great because it's I know all these people from all over the world, but when I'm trying to get in front of a local representative or a local candidate, I obviously feel like their constituents or potential constituents are going to have more sway. So, I'm trying to, you know, kind of weave that together here for whoever will listen to me. Yeah. So thank you guys so much. I will, send that email and I I connected with, you, Charlene. Thank you. Great. Appreciate it. Alright. Take care. Take care. Alright. Speaker 2: So next, next step is doctor Samad. Speaker 18: Thank you. Thank you for having me. What I see is, this psychological injury that we are talking about, is, taking I think it is tip of iceberg phenomenon till now because, how children were brutally treated, and they were brutally put on mask, and they were away from their communities. They were at home. And the fear they have created is immense. And the psychological problems, including so called autism and all autism spectrum disorders, these kind of things, are surfacing now. But again, the misdiagnosis, I mean, they're not talking about how it happened or what was the cause, forgetting this, vaccine injuries. Many people are still saying that these are all post COVID symptoms, long COVID symptoms and all. So misdiagnosis, I mean, the way it is being portrayed, is, that we cannot tolerate. If if you understand how it is being done, how it started, and, what is the how the whole, drama was orchestrated. So it's not just physical injury, mental injury, but whole society. Most of them are still, believing these big organizations, three letter organizations and what they're telling people. But, what we can see is, at least few people are waking up. I mean, from even lay public and doctors, many of them used to follow so called protocols and all. I was against even paracetamol. And I used to say, as a pharmacologist, it has no evidence that it helps in any kind of fever, any viral fever. So we have evidence that the immunological benefits of fever are immense, but people just follow the textbook protocols. And, I think it will help people to see how these so called protocols, so called standard treatment guidelines. These are all fake. Most of them are fake, and I can see the, the reason I mean, many cancer patients are rapidly having going to death here with despite all chemotherapy and although chemotherapy itself is killing many people that I know. But, how we will deal with this? How we'll start at home to, tell children? That's what I was doing to my children. That this is nothing. This is all fake thing they're telling, and now they are confident. So I think we have to start from home How to correct what is, the damage they have caused. That's all I wanted to say. Thank you for having me. I agree. I agree. Speaker 2: Millions of time. That was Speaker 1: right. That was just very well said. I agree with everything you said. You I can tell you've been paying attention to what's going on. And, and I think you're right about how we we rectify it at home by teaching our children what's going on and Speaker 2: and how to not not let this happen to our country. Handle it in our house, and that is it's the fear. That was very well said. Yep. Needed to be Speaker 20: Yep. Speaker 2: Next, we'll circle back to Deborah. And if you're if you're ready, Deborah, if you're not, we can go to Laurie Keith. Speaker 9: I'll go ahead and try. I'm just really you guys having a hard time right now coming up on Jeff's, anniversary this week. And I just I can't really speak. I don't I'm just really struggling. Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, Debra. Speaker 9: I was told a couple times this week that I should be over it by now or being Speaker 7: No. Speaker 4: Don't anybody let let anybody tell you that. They're talking about. You grieve on your own time and in your own terms, and sometimes it takes a lot longer for some people or but, you know, if you don't love hard, it doesn't you don't have pain hard. So it just shows me what a love story y'all had. And, you know, many people go their whole lifetime without knowing that. So you grieve as hard as you can. Somebody's loved one's murdered. That makes it difficult. It makes it there's trauma involved. Speaker 12: That's what I was just gonna say. This was not a peaceful passing. This was cruel, brutal. You know, you can come up with the words. And so I'm thinking about you. I'll say a prayer for you, Deborah. Thank you. Speaker 9: And, also, I need to do my brother's, interview because he died, of the Vax, in August, and I still gotta do his. But after Jeff's, I just really couldn't do his. Understand. But I need to get it done. I know. So I need to set that up. But I don't know. Do I need to go back and fill in all that stuff? Or Whenever you're ready, Deborah, just come back to chbmp.org Speaker 1: and document that story and schedule another interview. And and Mhmm. And someone will talk to you about what happened to to the vaccine. And I am so sorry you're going through this. Speaker 9: I'm not seeing you guys all really. I do. I do. I'm so glad you came to art yesterday, art group. You Oh, and I and I wait. I've I've I've been arguing it for two days. So Oh, good. Got a lot of kinds of project done, but, I guess, it was two days ago. Yeah. That's right. But, you know, it's great. I've I've tried to catch up on whatever you told me to catch on. Not not that I know that I'm catching on anything, but I'll show you. I'm trying. Speaker 4: Oh, no. I mean, I was so glad to see you smiling and having fun. And I I really did enjoy. It was awesome, you guys. Speaker 9: And I'm totally not artsy, but, boy, it was it was just I disagree. It was really, a good evening for me for it was a a long time coming, so I really appreciate y'all for that. You know that I like the light. Good time. Your superhero was great. Speaker 2: Thanks, Lisa. We should probably post the support groups that we have. Right? Speaker 4: Yeah. People are really getting a lot out of the art group because it's just a different way to express yourself, and we have fun. And there's, you know, artist therapy, and you don't have to be artistic. Speaker 9: I gotta say, I with all the ladies and, of course, I'm just getting to know a lot of people, but I just felt like I had known the whole group that night. I felt like I'd been a part of y'all forever, and and they brought all even before you got on CC. I mean, we're just they all just took over and just showed me everything and just made me feel like I was a part. Like, they've known me forever too. So I really appreciate it. Speaker 2: Yeah. You're not alone. You're not alone. So we have we have support groups almost every night of the week. So, and during the day. And so we have, you know, the Monday night, big group support meeting. We have Tuesday. I do, one week, I do a survivor, people who survive the protocols, support group, and then the opposite week, I do a Catholic victim support group. And Erin Gardner does a Tuesday night, widows group, and Denise Fritter does a Tuesday evening parents and family group for people who, like, Speaker 7: lost their lives. Is that Speaker 9: is that the like, did I maybe mess up on that? Tuesday is it it's not Thursday. It's Tuesday. Speaker 2: Then there's a Thursday one too. So there's a Thursday, Soul Care one I think it's Soul Care one week and a Thursday women's group, on the opposite weeks, and then the men's group is on Thursday. And, Cece, don't you do your art therapy on Thursdays, but earlier? Speaker 4: Yeah. 05:30. 05:30. Central. Yeah. Speaker 9: I gotta laugh because I did get an invite to the men's group, but sorry. I didn't show that for purpose. Speaker 2: And then and then on Saturday Friday. What do you do on Friday? Speaker 4: Well, Fridays, we have night owl. And then Saturday day is our PTSD workshop with our nurse practitioner and licensed trauma specialist. That's at 03:00 to central during the day. And then I ain't got that screwed up today. Night. And then the first and third, Sunday of the month is prayer warriors where Raquel leads us in the most amazing prayers of, Patty jumped in there. Brooke Witcher jumped in there. It was, like, it was amazing. And you can email her things that you specifically want to pray about, and she will go through the entire list. She prays for about, I don't know, like, two hours last week for the the first Sunday. Speaker 9: Can you say who that is again? Speaker 17: Raquel Quillis. Can you put her Speaker 4: her email in the chat? You can email her RaquelQuillis@formerfedsgroup.org, and she is she has a gift for that. And if y'all y'all that were on it would agree. So I I encourage people to come to that. No. Brooke wants to speak on that too because it was powerful, and she will she will go specifically what everybody wants to pray about. Do you need me to call 911 Speaker 2: Are you being robbed? Speaker 4: No. It's my dog's. There's, like, a leaf blew by or something. That's like Max murders at your, Speaker 2: at your door. It's Speaker 4: it's a car turning around in the coldest accident, you know, Speaker 2: like, you know, major emergency. Well, it sounded like Genghis Khan was walking down your street. Speaker 4: And and of course, if I let, you know, the the the robber in or something, they'd go through the bed. So it's just Speaker 2: it's all bought now. That's how our dogs are. Speaker 4: I also sent doctor Bane and Mike, and I'll resend it because he couldn't find it. Doctor Bain? Speaker 9: You can take me off too now if you want. And, hon, we'll Thanks, everyone. Appreciate you. See you next Thursday. Alright. We'll be praying for Speaker 2: you. Okay. Laurie so Laurie Keith, our very own Laurie Keith is next, and then our very own MickMeow. All of y'all are be all y'all are becoming our very own, everybody. Speaker 23: You know, I was this is Laurie. I was just gonna say, like, I'm honored that you're saying my our Laurie Keith. And and I feel like, boy, to be before Mick Meow because I love her to death. And I and I wanted to reach out to Deb. Deb, that was amazing, you know, working with you on Thursday night with the art, and you're a beautiful person. And we, you know, we all go through those times. So if you ever need to reach out to any of us, we're always here for you. So, the art therapy is amazing, and everybody's getting a lot out of it, and it's fun. And we get to just chat and share stories while we're drawing. And and so, Cece, I thank you for doing that. I just wanted to share quickly because I know Charlene said a little bit about my gut punch this week. And, Speaker 12: my girl, Lori, our creative director, y'all. Speaker 23: Yeah. The title. But, it you know, I'm gonna be calling on Monday. I'm gonna ask in writing why, you know, they returned my check and said I can't do that when other cases in New Jersey have gotten docket numbers. And if I get that in writing, and then I'll let Brad know what happens. I, you know, it's rough and, you know, I remember Christine Briones. I don't know if you're on, but I love her and Ginny Hamlin. I always connect with them, and they're mighty fine men. And, we you know, she said, you know, it's it's a tough fight, and you can't be weak. You have to you have to get tough, and it's not easy. But I just you know, every day I think about, you know, my husband and where would he want me to be and what would he want me to be doing. And, you know, you carry on. I have with with Stephanie and Charlene. I can tell they've talked me off the ledge. They've, you know, rescued me many times, but, we do. We work well together. And, you know, with CC, I've made my, permanent art bond, and, it's just like you guys now are primarily my major resource of survival. So anything that goes on, you know, I love being a part of it. I'm bringing it into the church that I'm at. I've met with the pastor. We're gonna do art therapy. I do the grief share. I'm looking into possibly doing that virtually because I know there was one night, a few said how they had such bad experiences with grief share. And I think sometimes, you know, one person or it was like a meme said it so well, and and even John Schneider, I follow him, and he said, you know, his new CD at the beginning, he says, you know, if you lose a spouse, you have to find others who lost the spouse because it's it's a different grief. And and although we all connect, it's sometimes important to have the person that understands, you know, when it's your mighty fine man, your soulmate. And that's what I've I've gotten from CHBMP, and I don't care what anybody else says. I don't I take the negative and turn my back to it, and I try to turn everything into positive. So as far as, you know, where we're headed and what we're doing, I feel there's a lot coming out. There's a lot being seen. And I know, Cece, you're working your tail off, and I love you for that. And Gail, I mean, there's so many people involved, but, I'm just great I'm I'm grateful God placed me where I'm at. And every day, there's a connection. There's a sign that I'm doing the right thing and where I should be. So, I just wanted to share with you all, you know, stay strong, keep the faith, and I'm here for anybody if they need it. But I love you, Charlene. Speaker 14: So thanks for Thanks for love. Really Hey. We are we are family. We're family. Yeah. We all suffer under the same circumstances. We are family. Speaker 4: That's right. And whenever I feel attacked, I just stick the California girls on them. Yeah. I'm like, where's my Christina? She didn't play. Speaker 3: So, Speaker 23: so that's it. I'm good. Love you all. Speaker 4: Thank you, Lori. Thank you. It's it's an honor to have you with us in this fight too. And, you know, we are not perfect by any means of the matter, and we've never done this before. I mean, I was an artist before this, and now I'm trying to help run a foundation with a lot of people that are grieving. And it's it's very difficult, and I'm we're not gonna always do the perfect thing or make the right decisions, but I just hope you know our hearts are in the right place, and we're trying our best. That being said, I think it's is it doctor Bain, Chelsea? I didn't read what you just text me. Speaker 1: Yeah. Doctor Bain and then Deborah requested again and, then Brookwisher. Doctor. Speaker 4: Our amazing doctor that helps everybody that we call him about, and he's just amazing. He's been a good friend to to our group, to me, and to a lot of people he's helped. Take it away, doctor Rain. Speaker 7: Thank you. Can you hear can you all hear me? Speaker 4: Yes. Speaker 7: Yeah. I'm, coming to you from Chicago where we had, like, a few days ago, five days ago, below zero weather was, negative 10. It was crazy. Negative 10 degrees. We're we're warming up with, 16 degrees. How do you like that? I'm I'm trying to hold I'm trying to hold down the floor here, and, I I I keep you know, I I I'm very committed, obviously, to this whole fight, and I'm trying to feel, you know, the new COVID people coming in and the, the the vaxx injured folks and the long COVID people. And then I've now got a help right for disability or, people that have to go on SSDI, and and we need more doctors to well, I'm sure they're doing that now. I'm hoping, even the ones that are not involved in our group because there's a lot of injured folks. We're starting a foundation. It's a a Catherine of Minnesota by way of Georgia. You know, Kat Parker and my dear wife, we have a foundation. It's called the Medical Arts Healing Foundation, and we're trying to kick that off. And that's gonna be designed to maybe get some, more reasonably priced testing or if there's, any new, diagnostic tools out there, which I'm working on right now to look for a more elegant way to look for, believe it or not, microclots. There is a there's a Star Trek device that's out there. It's a probe that's been studied in many, universities. And, it actually can see as as as small as the capillary. When my wife and one of you there? You all there? Yeah. We hear you. Hello? Yeah. My wife and my patient, we saw a capillary. We saw small red blood cells going through this thing. This this this device is called the the glyco check machine, and, I'm trying to find an elegant way that's been out there that that has come upon me by, one of my patients who just kinda found me. So I I I keep looking for I keep looking for ideas. I keep looking for markers. There's doctors on here right now who are listening. You know, I keep look again, I keep looking for markers that's gonna show pre and post kinds of things, you know. So I'm still here trying to help people in all my fifteen, sixteen states. But, one thing I wanna and I know I've there's a lot of speakers here, but, I don't wanna use I'm trying to use some different metaphor, like, when the per the the speaker before described that we're all family. And, I would agree with that. We're all in this together in this fight. And we we need to become, and we are through these spaces that, Cici created here, safe haven. This is gonna sound crazy, and and I'm not and I'm not biblical this way. I know Brooke Witcher and and other Christian folks are more, schooled in that and and understand that. But I keep feeling that we all need protection, and then we're on a boat. And I don't wanna say it's Noah's Ark, but I wanna say it's a big arc, and we have to be under this large arc to protect ourselves and to to to connect ourselves, and we need to I was talking to Gail and her dear and her dear husband about how we've gotta get all of these people, these doctors that are, like, not getting long because their egos are getting in the way of connecting with, Rocha Kodish or otherwise known as Holy Spirit. We've gotta, like, let our egos go, all these doctors, and we've gotta we've gotta really join arms and get under some sort of an arc to, you know, to protect ourselves. And now we have the other system that's also creating a, a second I think it's called the body, and that's a a gentleman, a doctor in Michigan, and, Angelina Farella and doctor Jackson, is it, right, who's the head of that? Is it doctor Jackson? Did I say his name right? I think so. Yeah. So we we we really I I I don't wanna make this like a speech. It's just I'm just saying what I feel. You know? I was telling Gail and her dear and and I call him captain h right now, captain Huckleberry. I I I this virus is really creepy. And irrespective of of it being a bioweapon, it's it's a strange bioweapon, and I wanna give four metaphors, three or four metaphors. I call this virus and its and its and its companion, or shall we say, its its accomplice, this virus and this and its accomplice called the shock as you know it. Right? I call this the peekaboo virus. And and and then cat of Minnesota, Catherine calls it the whack a mole virus. You know? Every time you try to fix it, something else pops up. Right? And it's the stealth infection virus and the sneaky virus. And and I say this with humbleness, humble. And we gotta really stay on our guard. And, there's so much I can say, but I wanted to share those basic thoughts. Speaker 4: Thank you, doctor Bain. And I'm so glad that someone is actually focusing on what the vaxx injured needs and not just long haul because it's a whole different subset of Speaker 7: of issues, and they're just being ignored. And it's it's completely Let me give you let me give you let me give you an example. May I can I have one more minute? Many shirts. Well, you know, stop me. Just shut me up. So I'm observing through anecdotal things, like doctor Vaughn of Alabama is one of my heroes who was finding, microplots with a special electron microscope. Right? And and and I wanna just this is a labor of love here, and let me explain. But a lot of these these these expert doctors think that they have a piece of they have they they're they're they're trying the piece of the puzzle, but they don't have the whole puzzle. Now why am I saying that? It's because, doctor Vaughn would tell us well, doctor, Patterson, who was into the cytokine panel. You know what I'm talking about? And then a lot of vaccine your folks know about this. And and that test is now $950. That's an expensive damn test. And and people are grappling for hope because they want an answer. So I I doctor Patterson was saying, hey. I'm getting lots of doctor Vaughn patients. And doctor Vaughn was saying, hey. I'm getting lots of doctor Patterson patients. And I'm like, I'm thinking I'm, you know, I'm observing. I'm observing. Like, what is this? What is this? Well, the fact of the matter is the the microclots is a product, in my opinion. The the the the microclots that cause this vaccine injured and this COVID stuff, this this peekaboo virus, this this thing. The fact of the matter is the the the the the the microclots is is a result of of chronic inflammation that's caused by this crazy spike protein and this lipid nanoparticle. So everybody is like and and and Cece would would really get would really appreciate this. And and and no and I'm gonna I'm gonna show you your art artistry. Everybody's gotta be an artist right now as I'm speaking. Because every time you look at a picture, you look at a piece of the picture, you say, Right? But then somebody looks at the artwork or looks at it from another angle, and they go, The problem is these doctors, along with their invested degrees and their egos, have got to be humbled to God or the Lord or Holy Spirit or however you wanna say it. Because they've got we've gotta get together and say, you know what? I'm looking at it from this angle. What do you think? I'm looking at it from that angle. What do you think? Doctor McCullough has his angle with the Natto, talking Natto and stuff, and I respect everybody here. But I hear interesting stories. Like, I hear, and I don't wanna upset anybody and I don't buy into this totally, The doctor Patterson says so I don't buy the micro cloud idea. How do you like that, folks? Doctor Patterson and I'm not putting anybody down. I'm just talking about this. Doctor Patterson says, I don't, I don't know that. And then and then he tries to quote one of his people. He says, you know, when you do the micropipette or when you suck up the blood to put under the microscope, right, you create a natural shearing that looks like microclots. I'm like, oh god. What does that mean? I'm not asking you to believe what I said, but I'm showing you that how do you wind up getting false negative? Like, people I've seen people who have no symptoms and have a three out of four three out of four severity of microclots. And then I see people who are really, really sick and and have three out of four microclots. And people go, That's it. That's it. Cat Parker of Minnesota by way of Georgia would say, yeah. I'm throwing clots and my d dimer is normal. You getting me, y'all? So this is like a genius virus. And I find it really interesting that these so called experts are charging an arm and a leg and, god bless them, we all gotta make a living. And and I find it really interesting. So I'm observing behaviors and, you know, we're all in this together. We all gotta be humbled to this. And we all gotta say, hey. What are you looking at? What are you looking at? And and and there's a brilliant person, Tanya of Canada, who might be here. Tanya of Canada figured out artemisinin. She's out of bed because of it. Now nobody else has tried it, and I'm looking for a a a what do you call it? A marker. But Tanya of Canada is slowly getting out of bed because of this antimalarial agent. And I know Lindsay knows about and Shelly of George and Florida knows about it. I'm saying that we need to pull it all together with some good research groups, and it's not necessarily gonna be run by, hey. Let's go see that doctor. Let's go do this. Let's go do that. You know, we need a really good working group to to to kinda talk about it the way I'm talking about it. You know? And I and and some of my patients are amazingly brilliant. Like, I got a guy who did the Von protocol for five months, is still on a piece of it, and it took his POTS away, his posture orthostatic tachycardia away. Okay? And he's happy, but he still had PEM. What do you call PEM? You know, you know, post exertional malaise. You know what I mean? PEM, p e m. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. And and and well, he's trying other things. And and and he just gives me a down and dirty from his Reddit. And he says, one third of the people in his non scientific thing, one third of the people are like, you know or or one fourth of the people are like, hey, Vaughn's triple aspirin, Plavix, Eliquis is really doing really great. The other ones say it can do nothing, anything. The other ones are saying, plus or minus. You know what I'm saying? I'm hooked into a guy, by the way, off to the record. He's doing the estrogen peptide, but he's in London. And I've been watching and following that too because this is a this, again, is a a an inflammatory process. This is that causes microclots sometimes, but sometimes it invades the nerves. I have a person that has possible atypical ALS atypical ALS, who's by the way, his semi quantitative spike his semi quantitative spike is not high, and he would and he took the vax. And I'm thinking like, oh, this is really cool. Because before him, even the the Clari group was saying, oh, this the antibody to the spike is a good possibly a good indicator, right, of what the spike is doing. Well, you know what, you guys? I'm not convinced of that either, by the way. So I'm not putting anybody down. I'm saying we got a genius virus, like I said, peekaboo, sneaky, whack a mole, as Catherine of Minnesota by way of Georgia would say. And I called the and I would call it the peekaboo virus. Peekaboo, I'm here. I'm not. You know what I'm saying? And and and we really need look. I'm not look. I'm just I'm just spewing out data. What works for one won't work for another. And now I'm trying to get everybody to just at least get the g I two x. Like, it's like, I probably want Tanya Killeen of Canada to get the g I two x. It's it's done by diagnostics. I could give the phone number. Let's look and see if every but here's the bottom line to this whole thing. Our immune systems have been whacked and cracked. And what does so what do you get? You get autoimmune disease. What else do you get? You've get the you get, the inability for, a person to manage their electrolytes. Now this is really interesting. Why? Because I have a a guy who's finally seeing me. He says he has long COVID, and he's like, he likes to try ivermectin. I say, how did you get to me and what happened? He says, you know, I was getting PEM, post exertional malaise. I say, what did you do? Now he's a light case. Do you understand what I'm saying? He's a light case. So what happens to him? What happens to him? He said, oh, you know, I took a lot of electrolytes and water, and I'm better. I don't have PEM, PEM. Well, you all know that's not gonna work for the deeper case. We all know that, but it gives us a principle. Then I got another person who took a backslide on her her problem and and and because she got COVID again. And you know what she did? She did the anti candida diet. And and sixty percent of of the vaccine injury was more under control. So we have to be hypervigilant on all of this because we don't know when people are gonna go off their diets. We don't know when. Now I wanna go back to this guy. He says his pots got better. Well, he, on his own, chose to do the drug from India, sulfusprevir. SulfusBivir. And in sulfusbuvir, he's testing that out to see if that'll help him. He bought it from India, two months supply. Right? And and and that's a proven drug for for, I don't wanna say curing, but getting rid of, the liver the liver, hepatitis problem. So I'm following all these great patients who are trying stuff on their own. I'm tracking them. I don't have tons of them, but the good lord, as they would say, or god or or you know what I'm saying? The holy spirit is bringing me people so I can put some stories together in my head. You know what I'm trying to say? And and this one guy that just wants a simple diagnosis of atypical ALS, and he's seen nine virologists, and nobody's taking him seriously. And now here's the and you know all this vaccine, your folks. Your damn jerk off doctors are calling you functional neurologic disorder, functional neurologic disorder, functional movement disorder. They are really the travesty. And if you wanna talk about class action lawsuits or if you wanna talk about possible lawyers, and I'm not I'm saying, man, why don't we why doesn't somebody sue the American College of Neurology? You see where I'm going with this? And I'm not trying to make a hullabaloo. I'm really getting angry at all this, by the way, when people start to create, as, captain Huckleberry said, pseudo diagnostics. We we're talking today. Pseudo diagnosis. You know what I was doing today, by the way, you guys? You know what I was doing? You there? My wife wishes she could've joined me. I was taking part my kitchen, and I had to do I had to get rid of the the the the the broken down kitchen. So I went to a joint where I had to throw all the stuff, and I I'm you know what? I'm I'm I'm bringing this metaphor up because these people that got control on us, the the World Economic Forum and the and the Gavi people and and the Klaus Schwab people, you know, they need to be metaphysically cracked and made weak. That's what I'm trying to tell you. And the doctors are brainwashed. We all know that. Speaker 4: Yes. And you know what? I love that you're so fired up. You have been all day, and I love it. But I love that you are are so humble, and you're so you're so willing to learn. Like, a lot of these doctors are just stuck in their, oh, I know best. Here's your protocol. This should work. No. But you are experimenting with different things. You're you're tracking patients. You're still trying to learn because nobody really understands this. And if you're not sure if you had a one stop solution for all these vaccinated people, we they wouldn't be in the position they're in. Speaker 7: Well, here's the problem. Now a little trick, I'm throwing out tricks. This one guy said that PEM got a little bit better when he added pink peak peak naginal along with his creatine. He said it got a little bit better, and he's got the sulfus bevir. And and but we're on to something new that I haven't talked about later that I'm studying, and he's on it, and the wife is on it, and she's testing it. This this endocallates fig, this is another discussion for some other time when this foundation gets rolling. I wanna get this machine. That's but but I'm just testing it right now. I'm observing it right now. But I'm trying to tell you that that we don't have the answers. And when you hear when you hear doctor, god bless him, and I love the guy, you know, Patterson, you're sticking his neck up and charging $900. And and and then what they do is they're taking the money, and then they and then at the last minute, they're looking. They're they're they're they're looking for a doctor like me. So they were putting the cart before the horse, the IncelDx. They're putting the cart before the horse, and that bothers me. And I'm gonna say that out loud because and maybe he's helped some people. God bless him. But and and but but this is this is gotta be organized better. Not that's why I wanted to find markers, not such expensive markers. You know, he's tracking too with his $50,000,000 test. Oh, look at this. Well, you know, the fibromyalgia patient versus the Lyme disease patient has different cytokine markers. Oh, isn't that fascinating? Oh, great. What are we gonna do with that? So you're gonna give me an anti HIV drug and call it a day? And, you know, he's had a lot of non successes. So everybody's dropping lots of cash. So I'm really angry at at at a lot I'm not angry at the doctors per se. I'm angry at the situation. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Speaker 4: I know if I could speak for a show at Broca and all of them that they they second that dropping all this cash and not getting the real answers and studies that they need. Speaker 7: I know I said a lot, you guys. I'm sorry. You, doctor Bain. You are always Speaker 4: always welcome to speak, and we love your passion, and we love you. And thank you for helping so many people. Speaker 7: Well, I wanna help more, but I this is how I'm doing it. I'm trying to track it and try to say what works here. And and and I listen to the patients. They are the heroes. You guys are all the heroes on this side and the other side, if you know what I mean, you know, with God with God. And and and and this these we need these markers. And and we need we need things that that, you know, I pray to God that we can get some markers and maybe, you know, time, and then somebody else with doctors following it. So you all go back to your doctor and say, okay. Well, I wanna try this artemisinin maybe or something or let's get some markers going. And, you know, we all gotta help each other. I mean, doctor McCullough, by the way, is, you know, is is is one of my mentors, and I know that there have been certain certain folks that don't know the beginning of the beginning. And I was there at the beginning, and doctor McCullough was there at the beginning. And now he's got some products to help the people that are not as severe, and he has severe patients as well. But he's but but but a lot of the population are long COVID, and they can get out of it just like my patient who took electrolytes, and he got he got himself out of a lot of his long COVID. He needs a little extra push, if that makes sense. So there's different layers of everybody, and and and and we all gotta work with each other. Speaker 4: Agree a 100%. I can't wait to hear what doctor Lindsey's input on it, but I need to get to a couple other places and then we'll get to her. Speaker 7: Alright. I'm gonna stop talking. I'm sorry I get I took so much time. No. Stay on in case people have questions. Speaker 4: But I believe it's, it's Brooke and and then Patty no. Mick, Brooke, Patty, and then, Chancey, I believe. Speaker 17: Hello, family. Hello. It's Brooke Witcher here in Mississippi. My husband is doctor John Witcher, and, he's actually working tonight. And, I just with my whole heart, I just wanna thank all of the medical people that are stepping up into this unknown territory. It's pioneering medicine. It really is. And, you know, they're they're at a loss. They're they're it's they're trying this and trying that using their skills and their heart and their talent to to work, and it's it's very, very, very hard. And, you know, my prayers daily are for the vaccine injured and for those that are so bereft from watching their loved ones' life be stolen away from them because that's exactly what's happened. You know? And and when our loved ones die of natural causes, it's it's terrible. It's sad. But when they die in such a way where they have been treated cruelly and not cared for and utterly betrayed. Those are not things that we can just step over and get on with our lives. You know, they just really are not. And, you know, we we're gonna have to continue to fight for that victory of justice. And I am so very grateful for all of the people that have contributed to these battles in the legal realm because it's it's expensive emotionally, financially. You know, to have to continue to relive it and to stay in the battle, it's it's exhausting. And I just pray for pray for them as they continue to fight because it's it's not until they are held accountable and exposed that things will change because we all know that this is still happening, and we all know that they're planning to do it again. And, so we we just have to be strong. We have to continue to to fight. But, you know, I I do wanna encourage everybody even when we're exhausted, Speaker 6: you know, and Speaker 17: feeling isolated to take part in all of these opportunities that we have to connect through these, support groups, through the art therapy, through the prayer ministries, you know, just just knowing that people care. And I think I think we all saw that, chart, you know, the, I guess, it was a survey where they said that the prayers seem to be the most effective thing to help people just so we know we are not alone. And, you know, we do all of this has got a you know, our our savior, our god does know. He does care. And, we may not understand why this is happening. But in eternity, we will. And we just have to hold on to that promise that no eye has seen, no ear has heard, or nor has it entered into the heart of man all that God has prepared for those that love him. And I just wanna say a a very grateful thank you to to, well, you know who you are, the leaders on this on this chat, on this x space that run all these calls. I just thank you so much for being the hands and feet of our savior in this, movement that we have because, you know, goodness, world would be without you. Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna hush up. God bless you all. Thank you so much, Jack, and thank you so much for all you do. We are so grateful for you. I don't know what it mean. Every time, like, Speaker 4: I get, like, upset or frustrated, all I do is wanna hear Brooke's voice. Don't you have the most comforting voice ever? If I were to if I were to have need to have some terrible news, like I have cancer or something, I want her I want her to tell me. You're right. I know. I'm missing too. Yeah. You're right. Speaker 2: Very comforting. Speaker 4: She does. It's a comforting voice. You just wanna crawl up crawl up in her arms and be like, oh, yeah. I don't care if it's bad news. Thank you very much. Speaker 1: So right. We have Mike Meow, who's been very patient, and then Jansy Lindsey, and then Patty Lamar, and then Sean McMeow, Speaker 2: Jancy, Patty Lamar, John. Speaker 24: Well, hello. Hello. Hello. I am grateful. Hello. I am so grateful to be with you all this evening, and there has been so much wow. I mean, just the speakers. And and let me just say this before I go on and get on a roll. I gotta have doctor Bain back on because I would love to talk about the the markers and the coming together. And, the last time you were on, we had a blast. So we we gotta do a little bit more party and serve. But, you know, so many of you that have have spoken, Lori Keith, I I'm gonna give you a shout too. I love you. That was so sweet what you said coming before me. Listen. I I you know, God comes before us all, but I was really blessed by that. And, tonight, I was, in prayer time, and I just as I was praying, God brought Psalm one thirty nine, and I I won't read it, but it came to me. And in essence, it it really showed me something. It it showed me that that God knows me, and he chose me, and he encompasses me. And the path before me is one that is a focus and reflection and intentional. And it really spoke to me because it made me reflect back on this medical freedom movement that we have going. And and I really see 2024 the year of intentional action. And one of the things I wanted to say is and this came to me early this morning, is the the overwhelming feeling and knowledge of we are the cure. We are the power, and that's what I've heard tonight on this Twitter space right here is that we are the local locomotive. And all of that is because of the mighty hand of god. He he has brought us together, and I love you know, we are a family. We are. You know? We we are rowing in the same direction where we go one, we go all. Although I'm not, you know, I'm not really knowledgeable about q, but I believe that. And we are really doing something very focused and intentional in Oklahoma, and we are having a medical freedom forum on February 10, the Oklahoma State Capitol, but it wouldn't be possible if people who are amazing, like Cece and Gail and Teresa and Sue Roberson and Peggy Springer, if they didn't come together, if we didn't all follow in the hand of God because I really believe that's who's leading us right now, Regardless of everything else, and I know, you know, we all know things can get squippy. It's a high emotional time. But, you know, I see people in Oklahoma. The, Oklahoma health and parental rights and the former feds. And to me, that says this is the right time, and it's the right thing. And I'm just really grateful. And I think over the next three weeks, as long as we keep pushing, I think this is gonna be phenomenom. I really do. So everybody's invited. February 10, Oklahoma State Capitol from one to 5PM. We're gonna have doctor Jimmy Hahn. We're gonna have doctor Mary Talley Bowden. We're gonna have doctor Reneta Moon. We're gonna have Scott Miller. We're gonna have doctor Gaffonti. We're gonna have Patty Galliano. We're gonna have Rachel Rodriguez, Esquire. We are going to have local representatives. Praise god. We're gonna have Harry Fisher. Of course, Gail and Sue and Peggy and me, we're all gonna be there. And so I I want you all to be there too and know that it doesn't matter to me what except for this, and that's to move forward and to be focused and to be intentional. And I'm grateful because you all are part of that. Thank you for allowing me to have a voice, and, god bless every single one of you. And and a shameless plug here we go. Shameless plug. You know it's coming. The conservative continuum, I wanna tell your story. I wanna have you on. I wanna speak to each and every one of you. I want us to be engaged because, that's what it's about. Right? Building relationships and bringing glory to God and moving medical freedom in 2024, baby. Speaker 6: That's right. Speaker 8: That's right. I Speaker 4: love you. You're so great. You're so great. And doctor Jansy Lindsey was supposed to be there, but she hurt her knee. Yes. I saw doctor Gia Fante is on here too. I threw him a mic if he wants to talk too, but go ahead, Jans, with your hobbly knee. Speaker 25: Oh, I know. I see. Terrible. I went to get an MRI this morning, and I had to do it twice. And I already have titanium screws, so I guess they had to do a really long one. And I messed up the first one because I moved. They had to do it all over again, which was excruciating. And so, I'm sorry. I'm very sorry. I I would definitely be there if I could. Speaker 24: We forgive you. Oh my god. Yeah. Listen. I saw the pictures, and I was like, woah. Woah. Speaker 25: Yeah. I'm yeah. But, like, not going the right direction. But Gotta take care of that, my friend, first and foremost. Yeah. Well, I guess this forces the knee replacement, but I don't wanna take up time with that. I I wanna say, that there are so many tests that we can do, and it brought me back. Cece, do you remember a couple years ago when they when doctor McCullough spoke and a bunch of other, doctors and scientists spoke in Texas, and they supposedly set aside I know Brooke and John will remember this because they tweeted it, and they talked about it that a special research committee was set up. Yes. It's supposed to be set up. And nothing ever happened. To do research and have the money to do research and have access to do research two years ago. Speaker 6: Yep. Speaker 25: I have looked and looked for that site again. I went to the site. It's not even active. It's not nothing. They just it was just a a pretend sight. I I I feel that it's so betrayed the people, the victims that felt that something was gonna come out of that, and we really need these tests done. We have got to get these tests done, and they're not difficult tests. I can't take my full time. I'm a primary provider for my family out of work and do these tests, but I can show somebody how to do them. It's it's not hard. The real trouble is clearance. So a lot of people think you can just go set up a lab and get human blood samples in there and tissues, and then you can test this stuff and tell them the answer. Unfortunately, there are laws against that. Yeah. So you have to have all these clearances and and pass all these tests and certifications. So the easiest way would be either to get the government, which I thought they were gonna do through this research initiative in Texas, to open up state labs for us to be able to say, you have to do this research. We will send you the samples. Here are the tests. Do the research. That's what this board was supposed to be for. Or they give us special clearance, some kind of special IRB, where they allow us to set up private labs under a special state sanctioned IRB where confident scientists can do these tests, not under CLIA certification, but just to do these tests for the victims. For instance, there was this great one that showed it's the only one that I've seen, and there may be more. But for nattokinase, they showed that that, nattokinase was able to break down the spike protein and showed it on a western blot where all the pieces were chopped up using nattokinase. We need similar studies like that on all these other therapies. Antibody tests are not necessarily indicative of of whether I I mean, actually, I'm just gonna say they're not. I I brought this up so many times because we don't go around with all the antibodies we've ever made to anything we've ever been exposed to all the time rushing through our blood. And the whole premise that if you don't have antibodies right now against COVID and all this other stuff at high titers rushing through your blood, you need another injection is BS. That is crap. We don't have that for for all the other things that we've been exposed to. And so why would we have it for COVID? That would be unnatural unless you were constantly producing spike protein. And and then at some point, you would exhaust your immune system, and then you wouldn't have antibodies, which, of course, would then, under their dictum, force you to get another injection. It's we have forgotten. People have forgotten basic science, basic immunological principles, whether it goes from vaccination to to, a million other, you know, herd immunity to many other things. Children provide herd immunity. Children have excellent immune systems that protect older people just by their wonderful immune systems. You don't immunize your children to protect adults. You use their innate immune system to protect adults. It's we've gotten so far away from common sense. Speaker 3: I I just Speaker 4: Jancy and I went to meet with governor Abbott in Texas the other day, and we gave him or she gave him the packet of, science that backs up why these shots seem to be recalled. Hoping that he acts on it, but we'll see. And I also told him to go about the dangerous EUA drugs, told him to go to CHBMP. Speaker 25: He promised he'd look into it. We'll see if that happens too. Well, we need to do a public call out, Cece, and all of us, against this, about this committee that was supposedly formed to do research that has done nothing, that I see nothing for, that we have no money for, that we have no lab results for, that we have nothing for. Where did this money go? Who's getting who's getting this money, and what research is being done and why every one of us in every state that we're in pay tax money to our state research institutions to pay the scientists there to do research. And not one of them is doing research for the vaxx injured. Or or how many years has it been? Two and a half, almost three years now since we knew that these went to the testes and the ovaries and not one single reproductive biology lab in the world wants is curious is curious to see if the vaxx has gone to the testes or the ovaries or to see if gametes have taken this up. Not one? How can they possibly be this sold out, so compromised, so beholden to pharma, so absolutely have lost their integrity? It it angers me to I just where are our scientists? How can they let this happen? And why can't we do anything about it? I have begged Lotopo. I have begged DeSantis. I have begged, you know, our our Paxton. I have begged them to just give us a lab that we can do this in. Speaker 4: No one's listening. Speaker 25: Well, I mean, are they that bought out? Is it that ingrained? We have to I'm not admitting defeat. We'll do it anyway. We'll figure it out. But, you know, it it's not as easy as everybody thinks. I've had several approach me and say, we've got some investors that'll put money towards this. Okay. Great. But if we don't have the permissions, if people don't understand that they can't take the results and go to their attorney because it's not a CLIA approved lab and say, well, I have this test done. It has to be done under the understanding that we're just gonna do this test, and we're gonna do it the way we would if it was totally approved. But there's there's just a lot of hurdles now. It's not like the old days. Speaker 4: You know? They're trying to block us at every every try every step we take forward, they try to push us two steps back. But maybe with Brad, except to Mike, he may have some ideas of how we find out about where that money went and how do we get these labs up. And John might know too. Speaker 25: Yeah. Thanks, Cece. And thanks, everybody. You know, we're trying. Trust me. We're we're constantly trying. I've called so many labs. Speaker 2: Yeah. I know you are. We're trying. Speaker 4: We are, and we'll get there. Speaker 25: Thanks, Dean. Okay. God bless everybody. I really without God, we I don't know how we could all handle any of this. It's it's too much for the soul to bear without our faith. So please keep your faith and understand that, we're just passing through. We want the best for our children. We want the best for for everybody, but when it comes down to it, you know, fight as as long as you can, as hard as you can for what's good and right and just. And, but know that this this is not it. Speaker 4: I love how and she gets so passionate. And so every person she talks to, she cries, and it's just you can just see the the passion in her face and her eyes, and then we just need more of you. Speaker 25: Oh, I love you, Cece. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard, especially for all of us that have kids. You know? Yeah. It's so hard. It's so hard. And for all and for people like you that mama everybody else. Cece, I feel like you've been the mother for for everybody here. Oh, well. And God bless you for that. That's a very good mom, Speaker 4: but thank you. Yeah. I have to call y'all while I'm breaking down all the time and get mad at Brad. Just kidding. Sorry, Brad. Thanks, Janice. Speaker 25: Alright. Well, I'll let somebody else go on. I just wanted to let people know that Speaker 4: Well, say if you can't research. Yeah. We've got a lot of job injured on here. They may have some questions. Patty, then Jockey, then Brad. Speaker 11: Me? Am I the patty you're calling on? We have two now. Can you hear me? Speaker 4: Yes. You're the Patty. Hey. Speaker 11: Thank you. We have a new, Patty Giuliano that does the thing, and so every time I hear y'all call her name, my heart jumps up in my throat because I think you're calling me. Anyway, I don't know why I wanted to talk a while ago, but Brett Brooke, she's just she just say she just said everything I think I wanted to say. I did wanna say to Deborah just like, Lori Lori Keith and and Vanessa. I wanted to say to Deborah that she is definitely our sister now. I want her to know that we love her. And I just appreciate everybody. I'm I'm fixing to cry in. This coming Thursday is gonna is gonna be the two weeks that they put Ray on a ventilator. And I just wanna say to Brooke that doctor Witcher was so good to us that day. He tried so hard to keep to keep Ray off that vent. He worked so hard all day long with those hateful people down in the Hazelhurst Hospital. She knows where I'm talking about. And I just can't I just can't thank thank them enough. Anyway, okay. That's all of that. So I have a little I have if y'all have time and don't mind me reading this, if I can get through it, I just wanna read this little devotional. It says, god knows you by name. For those of us that sometimes forget that god knows us, sometimes we forget that he even knows we exist, let alone knows our name. But this verse, Isaiah forty nine sixteen says, I have written your name on my hand. So this is by Max Lucado, and I love him, and y'all probably do too. But the but it's short. It says, it's quite a thought, isn't it? Your name on God's hand. Your name on God's lips. Maybe you've seen your name in some special places, on an award or a diploma. But to think that your name is on God's hand and on God's lips, my my, could it be? Or perhaps you have never seen your name honored and you can't remember when you heard it spoken with kindness. If so, it may be more difficult for you to believe that God knows your name, but he does. Written on his hand, spoken by his mouth, whispered by his lips, your name. Thank you, Cece, for letting us talk tonight. Thank you, Gail. We appreciate all of you, and I love all of y'all. And and I just, I'm just so grateful to have this place. God put me here. I know, and y'all might be thinking he's maybe made a boo boo boo, but I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure he I know he did. He put me here to sit right where I am, and he told me when Ray was being invented that night that something good was gonna come from this. Stopped me in my tracks, and I I trusted him. And every person that I've come in contact with with this group has been my blessing. And I just wanna thank everybody. Speaker 2: Thank you, Patty. We love you too. We love you. Speaker 4: John, I have to say that your interview on the high wire was amazing. Speaker 2: I think I watched it twice, but you're always an amazing speaker. Oh, was it on the high wire? No. I'm just kidding. I saw it too. Speaker 4: Yeah. It's so good. In fact, doctor Judy Mechovich text me and said, have you seen the high wire from yesterday? It's amazing. So there you go. Go ahead, John. And then Speaker 26: Thank you. Hi. So the way things have been going here, am I the only guy tonight? I'm I'm not gonna cry and be emotional, and, there's nothing wrong with that. I I did that actually, on the high wire. I I broke down a couple of times, but I kinda sucked it in. I don't know if it came through. I hope it didn't. But, on my way from the airport to the hotel, I talked to the guy, driving. And, brother-in-law, stroke, and then he now has a hole in his heart from the vaccine. And the sister had, I think, pulmonary embolism. I get to the front desk, and and I I talk to everybody. I don't just say, so do you know anybody who was injured by the VACCs? No. I'm like, hey. How are you doing? How are you from here? And, you know, I just I was in sales thirty years. I talked to everybody. Somebody at the front desk, had a a relative who who had died. And then the next day from the hotel to the to the studio, goes another driver, and sure enough, everybody knows somebody now. It's it's here, and I think, q one is gonna be big. It's gonna be a lot that's gonna come out in q one. I I hope that my memorandum gets traction. I have people to give it to, Paxton and the, Latipo DeSantis and the AG in Florida. But I'm thinking that if it goes well, if if I don't know people's reactions. I've only had an editor read it. That's it. But if it's good enough, then I hope people can just it not not buy a copy to make me money. Just buy a copy because it's a lot easier than taking even if I were to send you the PDF and you went to a a Staples to get it printed, it'll be cheaper than buying it. But just just buy a copy and bring it to every state legislator, around and serve them with notice of of criminal liability for all the fraud that's been perpetrated. And I guess I'll I'll say from oh, you know, I was actually still in, I was still in the in the studio when somebody had, written a note. They I get a I get emails from all kinds of stuff. And I had a note, and it said, my I'm 70 years old. My two sisters got the shots, and both of them died within days. So he he lost both of his sisters in their either seventies or sixties. And then he said where he's from, He's from Millis, Massachusetts, and that's five miles from me. It's the next town over. So I'm gonna try to hook up with him tomorrow if I can, if I can reach him. I'd like to get the particulars and details of it, but, you know, it's all around us. It's all all these people that died in their sixties. I did a presentation in Duxbury, Massachusetts, and I because I have a database, I can go down to whatever granularity I want. So I'm like, Duxbury, Massachusetts. Fourteen people were purportedly purportedly died from COVID in 2020 and eleven in 2021. I don't have it in front of me, but, in 2020, it was the ages were 90, 90, 90, 94, 92, 93, 89, 88, and there was one that was 78. Oh, no. I'm sorry. There wasn't. It was it it was '83. Yeah. 83 was the youngest. And then I said, and here are the twenty twenty one deaths. Sixty eight, '67, '63, '75, '72. It's like, do do you see any difference here? So after they were vaccinated, they went through a whole year of COVID being around in society, and they survived. They were fine. And the only people who died were mostly 90 with a few 80 or high eighties. And this is one town. And I started looking at other towns, and I found the same thing. And I and I do have a chapter in the book about the I call it the age spectrum profile, and it has all the ages. And, the the cities that had care homes, it it's noticeable. They killed people with hospital protocols. But if out in the suburbs, if people didn't get to the hospitals, it was only people in nineties that they were apparently dying from COVID, or they're putting COVID on the death certificates. And then in the following year, all of a sudden, they're like I think it was, the the average age was 8.5 years younger. But, I mean, there's average median and and mode and stuff you can do to look at what's going on. It's really I would I would have to say it was mostly in the eighties high eighties and nineties in the first year and '60. There were a lot of sixties, but they were offset. There were a couple of, deaths in the nineties in 2021 that kind of brought it up to an only an eight and a half year average. But for the most part, when you look at them as a set of ten year increments, there were, like, a lot in the sixties and seventies. So, there's a lot of lot of scamming, a lot of fraud. I plan to talk about it Monday. Just, you know, here here are the people and names of people who died, and here are the ages. But, also, I'll I'll be talking about fraud and what Massachusetts did. And I guess I'll just end by if if any of the speakers here, want me to say anything specific on Monday, for the Massachusetts, legislators thing that we're gonna do, that JANCE set up, let me know. I mean, you tell me right now, as I kinda put together what I'm gonna say. So if you wanna, you know, say any want me to say anything specific, just let me know now. Thanks. Speaker 4: Thanks, John. I'm sure there's gonna gonna be a lot of people that want you to say something, I imagine. Brad, our fearless leader. The New Jersey Hey, Brad. Are distraught. Mhmm. Hey. Speaker 26: Oh, there's no Yay. Another guy is here. Speaker 27: Yeah. Yeah. There's no, there's there's no reason to be distraught. Actually, things are things are going way better than I could have even predicted when we started on this. And I'd say that it continues to increase. The the the slope of the the positive curve, continues to increase. We have, on the Gilead case out in California, Gilead filed a, an opposition motion, and, I think we're gonna end up replying. Was that they really are playing a little bit fast and loose with what the legislative record is and what the, stare decisis is in regards to, the, PrEP Act and its its immunities. So we'll deal with that. But, I mean, like, it's all you know, it's we're going up against the the death star, and it's, like, kind of, I'm really, impressed by, the the the team that's on that that's on that case. I mean, just like they're really top notch. So that's kinda you know, moving forward, it looks like that's gonna be predominantly a California plaintiff, so it wouldn't surprise me if we see an effort somewhere to to file another class action for a national class. I had some preliminary discussions with Ed Tarpley in Louisiana because that's a good circuit for us, but right now, no one has the bandwidth. Another thing to be grateful for is, as far as I know of the of the hospital homicide cases that have been filed by attorneys, I'm unaware of any having been dismissed. So when we first started, you know, remember, everybody said that the Prep Act was a bar against the kinds of suits that we've referred, maybe 90 out, and none of them have been dismissed. That's another indicator that we have it right, and, everybody else had it wrong. And I think that, again, that that trend will will continue. I just had an inquiry from another group of attorneys. I won't publicly name them until I get their permission, but they have they're sitting on a referral, very detailed referral to the International Court of Justice. They're looking for some, foreign plaintiffs, which which I have. I returned last week from, Vietnam. We have a dozen plaintiffs in the South who grandma and were a health care worker, head of household, got the Pfizer vaccine in around July 2021. This is around the time when we had six hundred thousand deaths, and Vietnam had fewer than a thousand deaths on a population of 95,000,000. There's a huge delta, and I suspect that some of these these people in these health care agencies would have been very getting more and more desperate to close that delta by boosting deaths in Vietnam. But anyway, I digress. That's just a that's just a hunch. They released the vaccine, and within days, the entire country was set was shut down because there was a massive pandemic. And in the case of these dozen plaintiffs from the South, one of their loved ones, died. You know, our our working hypothesis, I think this has turned out to be correct, is that they caught COVID because they got shedding from exhalations from the person that got the vaccine. And then in the North, we have a woman who was vaccinated, immediately started bleeding from where you might think she would bleed daily for thirty days. Long and short of it is that she had to have a kidney transplant. And I'm speaking with some again, we have, like, access to tremendous experts. I got an email saying I wanna look at the you know, this is this is why the vaccine can cause organ failure, and, you know, we're we're happy to help you, you know, put that case together. I mean, it's just really amazing. And then I have another family that, I I had a meeting scheduled, and the family didn't show up, but I was able to to pitch the managing director of her former company. She's a 28 year old who healthy, vibrant, everybody loved her, and just didn't wake up one morning. I think, ultimately, we'll be able to get, her family on board. And so we're looking to file a suit around these plaintiffs in the second circuit. We think there's a clear path forward. And also, we can, as we work that up, we can, have there's no reason those shouldn't be the plaintiffs that, are showcased in this International Court of Justice referral in The Hague. We have, New Jersey. I realized that it's a it's a tough situation. You know, we got statues of limitations running. But as I said before, those are just the, you know, the most obvious statute of limitations that that we generally are working from. I could see as time goes on, creative theories emerging. I can see courts being more and more receptive to those arguments, and I could see all kinds of, legislative efforts to create fixes for this. Speaker 4: Like Brad, can can you, tell us why, like, the rest the New Jersey girls that fire filed per se got a docket number, but Laurie did not? Speaker 27: No. I talked to Laurie this evening, and I talked to Charlene last night. What I suggested is that they call. I I have a hearing in California 08:30 on Monday morning. So they're gonna call Monday morning and talk to the clerk. I don't know if it's a situation where the other, counties shouldn't have accepted the pro se filing, and the county that Laurie attempted to file in was correct, or if the county the county clerk that Laurie attempted to file in was wrong. If I were guessing, I would say I'd have a strong inclination that the clerk's office that Laurie filed in is wrong. But the bottom line is there's, I don't know the specific, the rules in, that county in New Jersey, but a lot of times, though, there's you know, you can imagine this happens a lot. Right? And there can be great injustices, around strict application of and a lot of fights, by both sides around strict applications of of sessions of limitations. So I think that there's they'll end up being a provision that says, you know, you can fit you can repair it within x number of days or whatever. But I do know that she has a receipt that was filed, and, I think, ultimately, that that can be repaired. I'm not, like, you know, I'm not concerned, but I'm not, unduly concerned. I think I, I think we'll get fixed. But the strategy there is to, you know it's, again, it's a it's a delaying game. You know, if you can't find defense counsel file pro se. And then, the ladies there have been very good at plumbing the, the depths of for, you know, how how much time you can possibly squeeze in terms of delay. And, I'm gonna be taking a look at maybe adopting one or more of those cases, but I I'm not I can't commit. It's really a bad idea, but I'm very sensitive to the, you know, the equities. It's it's a very tough situation. So I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna do something if I can. But like I said, if if we would have known that we would be here, you know, two years ago, if we could have, like, looked in a crystal ball, we would have been jumping up and down and and high fiving each other. I mean, the amount of societal change and the speed I I I know it's incredibly, frustratingly slow, but in terms of societal, you know, it always happens at a glacial pace. But in in terms of the speed, the speed that we're seeing is actually really fast. And because we're engaged in the three core areas, the CBDC, medical freedom, which is a cluster, and, January 6, and we're engaged in all three, and advancing of the ball in one area benefits the other two. So for instance, all the hard work that we all did regarding January 6, the attorney general Barr came out and said last week that he he thought that the Biden administration criminal prosecutions of January 6 cases was was a blunder. That's, like, super important, and it will help us on the medical freedom side, on the hospital homicide side, because it causes reassessment and reassessments are hard to contain. It also encourages awakening, and that's hard to contain. And it basically is a message to what some would call rhinos or members of the unit party that it's now acceptable to, have the January 6 enforcement be a subject of, political debate in the campaign. Well, that's hard to contain too because, you know, we wanna talk about enforcement. That's in fact, I would argue that that's that's probably the one of the most important things we can do is to just talk about enforcement and the lack thereof. And so we're like, this Thursday in I'll say this because it's sort of like a family here. Thursday, we're gonna do a a press conference in Dallas. We came across some troubling information in regards to, a client of mine, Steve Steve Baker. He he he did tremendous coverage of the three month OathKeeper trial in 2022. And, I mean, there's a whole backstory about this, and anybody who wants to learn more about it can can just watch whatever video collateral comes out of it. But the bottom line is is that we we we thought that he wasn't going to be charged. And then after he dismantled two of the government's key witnesses and proved at least one of them to have engaged in perjury, the other one to, given false testimony, crucial testimony that led to the, conviction of, the Oath Keepers, including my client, Ken Harrelson, who's completely innocent. It has the appearance, you know, right after that came out, we were contacted that he was gonna be charged and he could self surrender. And now, you know, we have a lot of contacts inside the, Department of Justice because, believe me, people inside the Department of Justice, Chris, civil servants, there's there's folks in there that just aren't happy with what they're seeing. They think that the enforcement is lackluster and that it's politically driven, and this is not the normal state or the the, historical state that Department of Justice policy has ever been in. So they're not happy, And we have it on good authority that, they may be planning something a little bit more than just, a, a self surrender. You know, they might wanna do, like, an underpants arrest or something like that. So, we're gonna probably be discussing that. As far as I know, I think it'll be the first time that, there there's another, twenty plus year alumni of the department, that's who's involved in, January 6. And I think we're gonna put our heads together and just try to articulate that targeting journalists for for prosecution, particularly when it it smacks of of prosecutorial decisions being, highly correlational to content, is extremely problematic. We had, you know, decades where the Department of Justice would bend over backwards not to investigate journalists. In the wake of nine eleven, I think that started to falter. And, you know, there's a lot of surreptitious, surreptitious stuff going on with collections they frankly shouldn't have been doing. They put some protections in in 02/2015. I think the attorney general reiterated it maybe October 2022. But the bottom line is, I mean, this is the most it this has the most political appearance I've ever seen, and it's beneath the Department of Justice. I'm very concerned because when the Department of Justice when its image is tarnished and when people start to doubt its moral authority, you know, some really there's some really bad consequences from that. So, I don't know exactly what the content of the press conference will be, but I'd like to think that we probably will be, strongly encouraging career civil servants inside the department and other agencies to, restore their agencies and and get them to, once again, fly straight. What else? We have Speaker 4: What about was talking about about getting the money that was set aside for these labs to be opened, especially in Texas, that they're not doing anything about and about getting labs started to to do the testing? Getting labs. I'm I'm not even aware of this. Do you see will you explain that again real quick? Because it Speaker 25: Yeah. After the initial hearings that were had in Texas that were some of the first hearings, Brad, they set up, and and Brooke and John actually tweeted me about it because I didn't realize that they had set this up. And I went and looked at it at the time, and there were there was this initiative set up, this group set up to have laboratory studies and research done around the COVID vaccine, and nothing's happened. That's not I went I tried to go back to the site. I couldn't find it. Speaker 6: Mhmm. Speaker 25: I think we need to investigate that and see what happened. Like, where's where's this money that was supposed to be set aside? Did it go to investigate just COVID, the virus? Did it go to our state institutions, to investigate other stuff? Because it was supposed to be there. They promised after this this hearing, and and a fund was set up supposedly. Speaker 27: My gosh. The shenanigans And I know Brooke remembers this. I know John remembers this. What Speaker 25: happened? So I I'm hoping that we can look into that. Again, all of us are looking into a million things, but if we could maybe get a legal letter or something saying, what happened? Speaker 4: Shenanigans. Speaker 27: Yeah. Yeah. It's really More promises It's frustrating. Speaker 25: For these poor victims. Thank you for everything you're doing, Brad. You're you're amazing. Our congress Speaker 27: oh, with with thank thank everyone here and and, well, most of all, you, doctor Jansy. Thank you. But the the I mean, I have to say, our congress, its subcommittee hearings, I don't think they've ever been so lackluster. I mean, even the weaponization committee, if you look at their staffing, it you know, it's not the kind of robust staffing you would wanna have. You'd wanna have robust staffing on both sides, you know, large budget, and, you know, I'm just not seeing it. It's just I I don't I don't know why. I mean, like, because in order to get back on track, you really need, you need robust congressional investigations both in the senate and the house. And, of course, you need, you know, the the executive branch through the Department of Justice and all of its OIGs and FBI, etcetera, to once again engage in criminal enforcement. They don't right now, and it's a disgrace to everybody. And that's important. Well, it's important for a lot of reasons, but the state AGs often jump into the wake of what the Department of Justice does. And then, you know, following close behind the state AGs are the, you know, the class action bar. And so that system, which creates the the, deterrence, it's just it I mean, I I I have an idea why you know, I I can think of a lot of reasons why it is. But, I mean, like, in terms of doing, like, a full diagnosis of where everything went wrong and why those systems don't don't function the way they they they did at one time. Somebody's got to figure that out. And by the way, I think I think the x factor is I don't wanna sound like a flu hit in here on on UFOs, but I I think there's been a concerted effort to compromise government operations. You know, there's, like, bugs in the system that were put there by, you know, some interest group, whether it's a cluster of NGOs or the CCP or all the above. I don't really know, but it's getting mission you know, it's to such a it's this that now where it's, like, mission critical. Like, we gotta we gotta diagnose that and get that all fixed. Speaker 25: I feel like yeah. This was at the state level that they promised this. So I'm hoping in in Texas that that we can send some kind of letter. Again, we're just it seems like a simple thing to do. Right? We're just all spread so thin and don't know where to put our efforts. Speaker 27: We have a letter going to the attorney attorney general of, this should be, like, maybe next week from the Amani Restoration Board. Rachel Rodriguez did the initial draft. One went to Florida. I'm I'm filling up my water glass too, by the way. Don't don't don't dig anything out of me. And, Florida, and then then the second version was, doctor Wycher's letter to Mississippi. Now we have the third one. Yeah. The the Texas and the fourth one to, Louisiana. Speaker 25: That's great. And I hear that other others of us, are also working with with, attorney generals in other states. So I'm not gonna say their name out here out loud because I don't want, you know, how this goes. Yeah. But I know that several other people are working with other, state AGs also to try to to try to repeal some of those some of those amendments that were that were put into the FD and C and and figure out how to get states' rights back. I think, I had posted this a while ago. Just I I just wanted to say this real quickly, that the states of Texas and Oklahoma did try to sue for their rights back from from the HHS back in January 2023. They tried to get their rights back that had been unlawfully delegated to the the HHS, secretary Becerra, and they were denied that in a Dallas court. And I I would love if if there was any way that you could follow-up or or speak on that. I don't know if you've had a chance to review those. But, Speaker 27: No. I honestly I'd, Speaker 25: I've been I know you're so busy again. It's it's crazy. But but it but it does lead credence to the fact that they knew that their rights had been stripped and delegated to the HHS, that states' rights had been stripped. And, we need to we need to repeal that because I'm really worried that people are gonna go forward. Like, oh, congress in in the senate can change this WHO, IHR, and and it's all been delegated to to Becerra. And people just aren't aware. Speaker 4: Jan, while I have you on the, call, we I was trying to tell them about the the new declaration for emergency preparedness for Marburg and Ebola. I think I've Oh, yeah. Speaker 25: So, Sasha has a good substack on it, but, basically, I guess it was November 28. Becerra extended or put forth a public health emergency for Marburg and Ebola that extends till 02/1928. Our public health emergencies normally only go for ninety days, and that may have to be extended. But he's put this forth till 02/1928, and he has unilateral. Most people don't know this, and and I think Katherine, Watt, and Sasha have really been trying to get this out. All authority from congress, from senate, everything was delegated to the HHS secretary Becerra. He has the ability to declare a public health emergency for anything or a pending if he thinks there's a pending public health emergency. He so he's extended the public health emergency for COVID till next December to, or this December 2224, and he's extended for Ebola and Marburg until 02/1928. Do we have a pandemic for Marburg or Ebola right now? No, of course we don't. Speaker 27: This is crazy. Speaker 4: The power that he has. Speaker 25: But it but what it does is it trumps all constitutional rights. He has the right to quarantine anybody in The US right now. That's what the real suit was about from Texas and Oklahoma. They were suing because they said, why do you have these clauses in there that you can quarantine anybody in The United States? We have states' rights. They were denied that. The denial from the judge came back and said, well, you don't have standing because they haven't quarantined anybody yet. So there's no injured party. And they said, well, why can't you just remove the language? Actually, 12 states took part in it in the beginning in a letter just to HHS, and it's well covered on Catherine Watts' sub stack. She did a deep dive into this, and I'll and I'll put it in the links. But, the 12 states said, why can't you remove this language about you being able to to do this, to quarantine our state residents, if you're not going to do it because they came back and said, oh, we're not really going to do that. The language just has to be there. And they said, well, if the language just has to be there and you're not gonna do it, why can't you remove that language? They refused to remove it. And when they went, Texas and Oklahoma were the only two states that went to bat to try to sue the US government and HHS about this. Did you hear about it for this? Did anybody hear about this? Right? No. Then the the Texas judge came back and said, you don't have standing. You're part of the union. You're part of The US. You don't have standing. This is a federal decision. The, federally, all all decisions have been relegated to the HHS secretary. And guess who the HHS secretary relegated? Their other part of the suit was that under the amendments, the HHS secretary gave all authority to the WHO. Before we're signed over, he already gave it to the WHO, so he's deferring to the WHO on everything. And they said, you can't do that. That's a foreign power. You can't delegate US authority to the WHO. The judge came back and said, nope. I'm sorry. You can't, as a state, pull out of that because this is a federal, delegation of authority to the HHS in your part of the union. So you you can't take back state's rights. That's not has to be they never appealed it. So, they had till October the October to appeal it. Remember, CCI was I was texting you about this. They never appealed it. So right now, the Sarah HHS secretary has unilateral authority to make all decisions for The United States, and he's deferring to the WHO before we've even entered into this agreement. Speaker 2: This treaty, Speaker 25: which is only his decision to pull out of. So everybody's being told, oh, call your congressman, you know, senate. Of this treaty under the way the laws are written. He's the only one who has the ability to pull out of this treaty. It's so unconstitutional. I mean, how did it It is. That's why somebody needs to challenge it, but nobody will. And here, May is coming up Yeah. Quick. Speaker 4: I just sent it to you, Brad and John, the the declaration. But Speaker 25: Yeah. So I just wanted to bring that up. Somebody has to challenge this, has to say, has to repeal these rights. Now, Congress can repeal these rights even though well, it says the HHS secretary is the only one that can make the decision to repeal the rights, but Congress can by by saying it's unconstitutional. So, Speaker 4: interpretation of of I mean, I think it's gonna be like, oh, we're under a public health declaration. We need to do a mail in ballots. Speaker 25: That's what's Well, that's what they're shooting for. I mean Yeah. What how can you extend a public health emergency for Marburg and Ebola till 2028 Speaker 4: with not have a single case. Speaker 25: Then you could declare a public health emergency for anything, and that's the problem. There's a subsection g under the Public Health Services Act that allows they they put in this section g. It says, and any other, act that the that the secretary feels is justified. It's completely open. Speaker 4: That can't be legal. No. That can't that's terrifying. Speaker 25: Yeah. Well, okay. I'm gonna get off and let other people get better. You know, there are lawyers talk about this, but but it's got to be challenged. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 16: Yeah. Speaker 1: A 100%. Now, Speaker 6: Julie has been waiting for a few That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's it. That's Speaker 2: all scratchy, but I think you said Julie's been waiting patiently. So Julie's next. So I'm just gonna Julie, it's gonna be Julie and then, doctor Margaret, Heidi, Miriam, Crystal, Catherine. Alright? So doctor so Julie and then doctor Margaret. Speaker 6: Then you Okay. Speaker 19: Okay. Good. Yes. You hear me? Yeah. I've been screaming at my TV because my niners are playing. So then my mic goes all haywire and you have to drop back, come back in. So yeah. So yeah. You guys, it's Julie. I'm out here in Chico, Butte County, California. I wanted to give a couple updates. Visera needs to be impeached. That's the only thing we need to do. Everybody's focused on my orcas, but I think Visera's got more blood on his hands through his failures with FEMA, the CDC, the FDA, the HHS. He owns it all. I mean, he paid all the COVID deaths $9,000, and yet my mom, the vaccine fatality death gets no money. So there's fraud all over the place. He was our AG here in California, and, yeah, he's a Marxist. He's a thug. He literally flew to Chico in April 2022 to shut me up. And so I've got so much information and nonsense and disgusting filth on this guy. If anybody ever wants to help me file anything against the collusion he did here in Butte County, I've got it. Anyway, so that's Becerra. He needs to be impeached. He does have the power of the pen, and that's, been given by Sasha and Catherine Watt. And he literally, he's got as much power as Tedros does for the WHO. So if he's removed from office and you put in somebody that's a smart freedom fighter like maybe an RFK Jr, and every single thing gets undone. Every EUA comes down of every product, monkeypox, whatever the hell they've got going on. So, yeah, I'm glad we keep screaming about that. So I'm running here in Butte County for supervisor. That's about the only thing I can think of still open that I can pound sand to get any product from being delivered into my county. So I'm part of the, health freedom group, the American health freedom. I can't remember the name of our pack. I put it into the chat, Doctor Mary Talley Bowden's group. So, yeah, there's going on almost a 100 of us candidates that have signed that pledge and, obviously, Joseph Lattipo and a bunch of electeds. So if you can grab that, you know, that tweet, I've pinned it to my account and forward it to anybody on the planet in The United States that you can push to try to sign it or explain to you why they're not. For example, James Gallagher, who's the ranking Republican here in California, my assemblyman, and he's taken money from Pfizer. He's taken money from Gilead. He's taken money from J and J. He's taken money from all of them. So, clearly, he's not one that's gonna sign the pledge. I keep pushing Doug LaMalfa, who's my congressman, to, again, do something. I literally went up to his Chico office and knocked on his door. And they're you know, they gaslight me all over the place here, so LaMalfa is doing nothing. My mom who was the vaccine fatality, she was shot in Santa Clara County, four shots killed that woman who was healthy, but she died on vacation in Wyoming. So if anybody who ever wants to set up a lab in Wyoming, doctor Tom Bennett's the state pathologist who is willing, ready, able, has her labs, and just needs instructions. They're not that vaccinated. They didn't have that much nonsense going on. They're no remdesivir. So he literally is like, Julie, I don't know what to do. I'm like, okay. Well, once we have instructions or people that can tell you, then we've got a case and my mom's tissues in Wyoming. And I think that's it. I did pull the VAERS numbers for Massachusetts for that hearing on Monday. I sent them to Jim Thorpe, but they're in the bubble. And I pulled the VAERS numbers for the almost 7,000 VAERS reports that were filed where there was remdesivir listed in the write up. And I was able to pull that report and show you guys the outcomes from that if anybody's wanting to use it. So that's what's going on here in Chico, California, Butte County. And I'm just willing and wanting the Niners to step up and start winning because they're going back and forth with Green Bay. So, anyway, thank you guys for listening to me. Speaker 4: Thanks, Julie. We're rooting for you. Speaker 2: Who was next, Chelsea? Oh, okay. So, doctor Margaret is next. Speaker 13: Hi. Thank you so much, and what a blend of very wonderful and inspirational speakers you have here tonight. So, you know, just humbled to be a part of this, and I appreciate you're allowing me to share my story. I've posted a lot of links. Like, every time somebody is speaking on a subject, I try to find a link to further that conversation. I put a lot of links on dysautonomia, what it is, the pathophysiology or how it works badly in your body, how to get it diagnosed, how to treat it. And, also, I just really felt like like the Holy Spirit is is just so powerful in this group. And I love that we can talk about God without being embarrassed and without, you know, having reservation. So I I just wanted to share that when I did a video during my period of dysautonomia and being bedridden, Wayne Cannell, who's the president of the Invisible Disabilities Association, came to my home and did a video of me. I posted that link on my life and recovery for and healing from dysautonomia POTS. And I ended up winning in 20 I think it was '17, the no. I think it was a lot earlier than that. I think it was 2012, the Invisible Disabilities Association's Perseverance Award. I was able with a lot of midstream, some, support stockings, and really, a lot of effort to travel to Denver to go to their gala event and receive that award, and I thought this would be super inspirational to people. I have been vice president of the Invisible Disabilities Association now for four years, and how God turned that situation completely upside down and took me from being unable to walk or talk very well at all to being in a leadership position where I could have some influence and help others is is just really a testimony to the way God works. So I just wanna pray for everybody who's sick right now and let them know that God loves you. It doesn't matter if you're going to the wrong doctors and nobody has given you the diagnosis. God is beyond that. And, one of the speakers here, we I've been direct messaging, with as many people as I could. I followed every single person in this group, so I appreciate a follow back. And please follow everybody else in this group so that we continue to stay strong. But, I just wanna say that, you know, God has led us to one another, that your life during this time is meant to be. We are to have no fear, and we're to be you know, there will be earthquakes and wars and rumors of wars. We were speaking about the WEF earlier, and they're meeting in Davos. Yeah. They're planning, you know, something else. I posted a, article on Ebola slash Marburg. They're both associated and have the similar origins from a bat. There's no real treatment but supportive therapy or antibiotic treatment if there's an infection. There's never been a reported case in The United States that started in The United States, and I list all the CDC data there for you in my article. And if anybody wants a free subscription to any of my subjects, I have three. One is the rebel patient, which is kind of, you know, worldwide events like these things we're just talking about. I have one that is based on Bible scripture and speaking life into your life and all the lessons that I learned from being in bed for twelve years. That one is on Substack two, and then I have a nutrition one that just focuses on nutrition and some alternative therapies, like the Zeolite solutions and, augmented NAC, things like that. And I wanted you to know too that I'm in touch with Italian researchers who have a lab, study that tests the blood and the urine for spike protein. So they can tell what your levels are. They can tell if it responds to treatment. They're they have been perfecting it for the last, six months or so. And, because they recognize that the spike protein can hide in organs and then come out later on, so that if the levels go up and down and up and down and up and down, it's not necessarily because it goes away and comes back, because you got it from somebody else, but that it's hiding and that it reexhibits itself like a flare, like what Lyme disease would have and other diseases like that. But they're they are able to get any lab in The United States set up to do what they do. It costs money. They want some money for it, but they'll help you do the whole thing. So I wanted to put that out there as well. And thank you for letting me be here. Let's stay together and keep doing this. If anybody ever wants to focus and do a space on dysautonomia slash POTS, I think it's a big issue for, the vaxx injured and, something that a lot of people don't know about, because a lot of doctors never heard of it when I was sick originally in '20 after my car accident in 02/2005. So I struggled with that, and still a lot of doctors don't know what to do with it. But I encourage you to read my articles because you might find some things in there that you don't know. I apologize in advance as some of my articles are very long, but I've taken polls before my audience. They prefer less, fewer articles over time with more content in each one. And then the last thing I wanna say is that if you have a propensity or a feeling that you look at a piece of art and you're like, oh, I could do that, or that's art. Like, I could throw some paint on a on a piece of paper and call that art too, or you you can draw, or you can write, you can sing, you can play the guitar or the piano. Do it because that uses a different part of your brain, and that's a creative gift that God gave you. I have painted a couple of, I painted one book cover. I'm sketching another. You'll see that on my pinned tweet. I'm not embarrassed because I know it's not perfect, but, you know, it is what it is. So, put yourself out there. And Speaker 4: You should come to our step. You should come to our art group sometime. Speaker 13: Oh, I would love to do that. I would love to do that. I'm actually the secretary of a local art gallery, where I live, and I love meeting artists. I talk to a lot of them. They do great work, and it's a beautiful community. And I honestly can feel when I'm around artists that I use a different part of my brain, which I think is very healthy and keeps us young. So thank you very much. God bless you all, and, I appreciate everything. I'm gonna DM you some info for that. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. Thank you. I think, Speaker 2: John wanted to jump in and say something, so I'll go to him before we go to Heidi. Speaker 4: And Jansy too. I think she's got her hand up. Speaker 26: Oh, thank you. Yeah, I two things. One, I actually forgot. The other one is I just posted some graphs about dysautonomia. At least not not all of it, but you can you can see a lot of the graphs I do, I guess, require explanation. I'll be fast. You have to think of everything in the context of cactus peribus peribus or ceteris paribus, as Americans say. And that is all other things being equal. So while there might be fraud or there might be incompetence with regard to death certificates in general, all other things being equal, meaning the same people are still working there. There's no memo that says you should write this and not that when it comes to g codes. And so the g code for the, disorders of the central, excuse me. That's the wrong one. Autonomic nervous system. So disorders of the autonomic nervous system, 2022 and '23, there were an extra ten deaths, and that's a lot when you compare it to the prior years. So, who was just speaking? Where is she at for talking to me? Oh my god. I'm so sorry. Yeah. Yeah. She might wanna at least just take a look at the graph and and see that, yes, you you're you're right. It's up, and here it is. And because there are so few of them, I can look into every single individual case. And the other thing I wanted to say, I still can't remember. So I'm just gonna I gotta go anyway. I gotta go watch a fight, Sean Strickland versus Duplessis or Duplessis from South Africa. So thanks for letting me know. Thanks, Sean. Wait. Speaker 25: Wait. Speaker 9: Wait, Don. No. No. Speaker 25: Wait. Oh, okay. I'll hand it over to you. I think you were gonna speak on the Becerra stuff. Like, right after I was speaking, you had your hand up. So and I had another question for doctor Margaret. But Margaret. Speaker 26: Yeah. Working on the. Oh, oh, oh, I know what I wanted to say, though. You you that did remind me. That did remind me. People gotta wake up to the fact that you cannot wait for the courts. You cannot wait for the scientists. You cannot wait for the doctors. You have to teach your family the value of civil disobedience. The the only way when the government turns tyrannical and they're going to I don't believe there's gonna be an election this year. I could be wrong. I agree. Yeah. But they they have gone so far I agree. In the entire Rico scam and the number of murders they've committed, mass murder on the people, and the treachery that they're all traitors with the invasion and everything that's been going on to allow their adversaries to win a seat of the presidency would be signing their own death warrants or signing their own freedom away because any righteous DOJ that would come in, would would prosecute and convict them. Not like the j six bullshit that's going on, but righteously for the murders they actually have committed. Now if you think about them as individuals and how they might act and how far they might go, as individual people, they cannot let a a real fair election go, and they cannot let a Trump or a, Vivek or or some person who would have Kash Patel be the attorney general. I mean, imagine if Kash Patel was the attorney general. They would have to spend the rest of their lives in jail for what they've done. And so they'll go to any lengths to make sure there's not an election, and to stop an election. So prepare yourselves for this year being kinda rough, depending on where you are. And, Speaker 25: I think Yeah. Speaker 26: Yeah. It's it's, Speaker 25: when you when you Which is why I want action now to strip away these rights. I think if we strip away these these these, liability shields for all these people and we can get action in the courts and they feel like they're not protected, then we will start to get the tumbling of the house of cards. Speaker 26: The the lie yeah. And, no, I'm not disagreeing with any of that. The liability shield should really again, it's only civil. Okay? That we're not there's no liability shield for criminal prosecution. Everybody's responsible for their own criminal behavior. The Prep Act has nothing to do with with criminal prosecution, and everything they've done is multiple federal felonies on a regular basis in every state public health department, in the CDC, in the FDA, in the NIH. They're just constantly, every day as a matter of custom and practice within their business, within their jobs, are committing federal felonies, and nobody's gonna do anything because, hey, man. The government isn't gonna prosecute the government, and and the DOJ is all in on it. So, you know, the the only way out is, really, county and state grand juries, to produce reports that will swing the public opinion because the reports will be in such a way that, holy shit, a grand jury did subpoenas, got real evidence, real investigations, and, you just can't get around it. It's the people. The grand juries belong to the people. As long as we can make sure the state attorneys and the US attorneys aren't involved, not not not involved, but aren't Speaker 25: co opting the the grand juries. Now I'm off topic. I'm sorry. But Well, now that's what we were try that's what we're trying to do with We The People fifty with CCN and Brad and everybody and you too. We're trying to go to the counties, and we're trying to to do this at the grassroots level to get people involved so that they will do it. My my part of it is I'm a scientist. I I speak about these legal issues, but I don't have expertise. So I appreciate you and Brad and and and all these other people that do have legal expertise because I wanna fry these guys. Speaker 26: But I'm glad I think this is the best this I think, Jansy, this is the best way to do a space where we can actually just talk to people talk to each other and people can listen. Now the the everything you're doing is awesome. I think you're one of the most effective people in this whole movement, and I mean that. I'm not just bullshitting and buttering you up or whatever. You know I mean that, and other people need to understand I mean that. There are people who've been talking for four years, not much effect. You're very effective in the plans you're putting together. And so when I when I talk about the criminal stuff, people have to understand that the government has a monopoly in criminal prosecution. And probably not gonna get where we wanna be. But there are paths within states, especially out West, because of the laws that were formed and the way the West was, was populated, is different from the East because our laws follow English common law. Common law. Yeah. They kinda they can't they we were already established. But as the West was came to be, they had to you had to have some law. And what happened was circuit court judges would would make the rounds to various towns, maybe once a year or twice a year. And so you had to have, like, the ability to deputize people and the ability to form grand juries, not just from a circuit judge, but from a board of county commissioners or whatever. And, yes, we I didn't even know we had, county commissioners here in Massachusetts till somebody I said we don't have them, and I was like, oh, shit. I didn't I never looked at it to see if I was right. And it turns out we do. We got rid of them in 1997, but Cape Cod, which is part of Massachusetts, still has one. The rest of Massachusetts kinda outlawed them. But, anyway, the back to the point, the the the criminal aspect of this is key because the behaviors will continue unless there's something at stake for these guys personally. And because civil carries, like, stuff like qualified sovereign immunity and liability shields and bullshit like that, you you can't get to anybody personally. And they will continue to commit the crimes against the people and kill as many people as they want. They don't give a shit about people, and they'll continue to do the behavior unless they're personally at stake. You have to get through the liability shield. You have to get through the qualified But doesn't the doesn't the AG Speaker 25: so I've asked, so can can any of us file a criminal complaint? Apparently, not. It has to go through state AGs, and that's that's where the stop gap is. They've replaced all of them with their Correct. Lackeys. You know? Correct. But you can get to a grand jury, say, at a county level, where Speaker 26: if you have a state that doesn't require that the attorney general form the, or or, petition a a district judge within the state to form a grand jury. Okay? If you can get around the AG, and I'm not gonna say it on this call, but I talked to Laura about it, Janssen. If you wanna talk to me about it, I'll be happy to to talk to That's great. Okay. With you. There are certain there are certain places, especially out west, is what I'm saying, that are amenable to the people having enough power to petition certain circuit judges without the attorney general involved. And especially where it comes to, like, a special prosecutor, and then deputizing people. In most grand juries, only the, special only the prosecuting attorney, which is usually a state attorney. Let's just not even talk about federal court right now. So, usually, it's a prosecuting attorney who's been assigned that's a state attorney. So now you're talking about a government attorney is gonna bring a case to Speaker 25: I guess the government. Yeah. Investigate Speaker 26: the government? Like, no. It's not gonna happen. Because even if it's federal government they're investigating, their career pretty much ends. Because they're all beholden to if you if if you become a lawyer, you might go down the path of, the government side or you might go down the path of private practice, do real estate law, but or you might be a defense attorney. Chances are you're not gonna want your career to be destroyed, Speaker 25: by prosecuting the government. Well, we're gonna figure it out. We're gonna figure it out, and that's it. I mean, period. Well, I have I have some power. This get so messed up? How did this get so messed up and so because we started following common law instead of, like, No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Getting away from constitutional Speaker 26: law? No. No. No. These are these are terms that people throw around, and I understand why you're saying that. And I would agree with I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying, but the words that people choose, you know, the common law system works just fine. In fact, it's great. In in fact, if you say courts of equity where there are chancellors, flow from from the common law system, that's where we I believe we need to be. And, you know, when you get into a court of equity instead of a court of law, and Right. And okay. It's the same judge. It's the same court. I'm not talking about different physical places or different people. It's the matter that's brought before him. It's either a matter of law or a matter of equity. Yeah. And if it's a matter of equity where there's a chancellor in in a court of equity, okay, he's now sitting in equity. Okay? He's not a judge of law in that case. If you ask for injunctive relief, that's an equitable relief. And in fact, the case that Brad brought, they did a smart thing where they brought it with a with a I forget the exact, count that they brought, claim that they brought, but it's it's inequity, which it's very different. You don't you can't have a jury inequity. It's only the judge. But the good thing about it is that the judge well, if you get a good judge, the good thing about it, if you get a bad judge, it's bad. But, he can make decisions beyond the law. He can't break any laws, but the decisions that are made must be, in the interest of fairness and equity. And that means what is equitable in the decision. If if, there is no law specific to the number of people who are dying from a vaccine, you can't prove it, you don't have enough research papers to show that the risk benefit analysis is such that the, you know, ten people die from the vaccine, but eleven people die from COVID. So now we're gonna vaccinate everybody. Right? So it's it's kinda ridiculous, but he's gonna try to make that analysis. But the fact that it's and this is where a lot of lot of lawyers and judges make mistakes because they go based on case law, case law, case law, and then you would say common law, and then you'd say common law is bad. But if they're sitting in equity, they have to evaluate each case on its merits as it comes before them. And that case change. Change. With only the evidence that comes before them, not everything in the sphere. But the variables change, Jansy. It's a dynamic situation. With regard to all of the cases that have come before all these courts where everybody's getting tossed on standing doctrine, I won't get into that right now. I promise. But I I can write a thousand page book on that. So let's get back to the the the an equitable decision. It because it's a dynamic situation and they they put out the vaccine, they could a a, a judge could make a decision based on the arguments from both side and say, no. It's it's good that we can mandate a vaccine. Well, six months later, after a bunch of people died, okay, it's a different case. It's a different decision. It's everything has changed. We now have evidence that people have been killed, and yet they won't hear the case based on, oh, we already heard that case. No. You didn't hear this case. We now have more evidence. This is a court of equity, not a court of law. You have to judge the case based on its merits right now. And so the whole system's effed up because everybody's looking at case law, and they're not adjudicating cases based on dynamic situations and variables. Speaker 25: Sorry. I I I went on too much here, but go ahead. No. I think it's good. We we need to have this discussion. We we'll have it more in the groups to try to because everybody wants justice. I mean, at the end of the day, everybody wants justice, and everybody wants us to stop. So we are the people that they are looking to to stop this. I'm I mean, it's sad. They want, their doctors to stop this. They want the federal agents agencies to stop this. We all do, but they're all in on it. So the only people that they're looking to stop this is us. And how do we do it most effectively? It's sad that that we're, you know, reaching out to each other. How do we stop this? How do we stop this? We do it publicly to each other, and I hope you see this as a very open discussion, how desperate we are because we have no other resource but each other. I hope you understand that. We are trying as hard as we can. You know? As as as much as we can, we're doing everything we can. I wish we knew better. I'm a scientist. Now I'm straying into, you know, legal stuff. You know, John is was a law student who was kicked out because of opposing mandates and has filed his own cases in a bunch of stuff. We have a lot of attorneys that have picked up all these other cases. But having picked up these other cases, they are spread so thin. They can't do their own clients justice if they try to pick up these extra cases. Speaker 26: Yeah. That's the I mean, my most of my career is in, putting together people can understand. Yeah. Systems analyst. Okay. So it's really sales, but but I had to learn a lot of stuff. So the the problem with the whole lawyer thing is that if you look at the the it's a scarce resource market. Okay? The corporations took up all the all the big lawyers, and that only the small firms were available for lawsuits with regard to COVID. And of those small firms, many of them were told they better not. Some of them got scared. So the market that would actually take cases just kept getting smaller and smaller and smaller to the point where the people it was such a scarce resource. A lot of us just gave up. You know? I I did pro se because I can't find a lawyer. So I went pro se because I'm I'm not a dumb guy. I could figure out how to do stuff. I did go to law school for a year after I filed my case. I went to law school to figure out how to do what I was trying to sue them for. But this to the point again, there's a whole entire systemic economic, issue with regard to all these lawsuits and stuff and the monopoly on criminal prosecution, where only the government could prosecute and there's no private right of action of any citizen to bring criminal charges. And on top of that, you have standing doctrine, which is another issue I said I wouldn't get into. Well, I'll just say that at the a lot of decisions that go along with these standing doctrine and rules of civil procedure and rules even rules of criminal procedure at to a lesser degree is that, there's a pragmatism. You you can't overwhelm the entire system. And so they they have a fear of overwhelming the system, and so they create these things like standing doctrine. And at the intersection Right. Economics, they talk about judicial economy, and they use this this bullshit excuse as to why they have to dismiss all these cases based on standing so people don't get to be heard. Now the first amendment says that you have the right to petition the government for redress agreements. In the Massachusetts constitution, it's article 15. It's very similar. There's also, article three, section two cases in controversy saying that we have the right to bring cases. And and think about this in the context of your first amendment rights are being absolutely trampled by a made up rule of standing doctrine with a bunch of cases. This in Texas. Speaker 25: I'm I'm an expert witness for a living, so I know. We have this in Texas. If you cannot, bring, a bearing of of, an overwhelming fact to your case. You cannot even get your case tried if it's a tort case in Texas, which I've always felt is incredibly unfair to the plaintiff. Speaker 26: The the burden of just establishing standing has become so high, and what they do is they leave it to what I say in the book, the the subjective whim of any judge to toss any case he doesn't like. That's right. And and so every defense attorney is going to use, Speaker 25: Iqbal versus Ashcroft or a state version that They use a Dalbert. They use a Dalbert to try to get you out these days, and it's common. It never used to be used. They'll challenge every expert and make the make the plaintiff spend a ton of money trying to fight the case and challenge that expert even if they're imminently qualified knowing that that expert has to spend, you know, a lot of their time. That's gonna cost the plaintiff money. And if you're suing Dow or if you you're suing a big company, the the plaintiffs can never never afford it. Speaker 26: Yeah. That's that's even down the road. That's even, like, you're even you're even into discovery where you're even talking to a witness. I'm saying even before that, JNC, this whole the the the standing doctrine is the greatest affront to the rights of the people of anything, and nobody talks about it. And lawyers just take it for granted, like, well, yeah, that's that's standing. You know? That's that's what the rules are of civil procedure. It's like, no. I don't accept that. It needs to go back to SCOTUS. SCOTUS needs to rule on it and say, Iqbal was just a passing fad because we didn't want some guy who got beaten up after nine eleven from Pakistan, who got thrown in the jail in New York City, and then went we deported him in Pakistan, and he sued everybody up to the attorney general John Ashcroft. And instead of throwing out based on simple attenuation, they threw they made up some bullshit language. And now it it was right to be thrown out. Right? It was right to deny him standing based on what he was trying to do by responding to that superior or suing you know, the guards beat him up, so he sued the eternal attorney general of The United States saying, well, he must have told them to do it. Like, no. Get out of court. That's bullshit. You know? And but what they did was I call it Iqbal's revenge, and I just said I wouldn't get into this, and here I am getting into it. They they Iqbal's revenge. Okay? A Pakistan who got beaten up in prison after nine eleven in New York City goes to Pakistan, sues, and now we all have to deal with this case. Everybody in the country has to deal with this effing freaking case. Yeah. That's a that's a bunch of people. Claim on its face. Okay. What do you mean plausible? Okay. That's a subjective whim of any judge to throw a case out. And, you know, Iqbal might have been a right decision, but the wording that was used and the fact that they used that case against us, we, you know, we the people, and throw our cases out when we bring a grievance against the government Speaker 25: that's abusing our rights, you take your First Amendment right He's not a US citizen and never was, so he shouldn't have that standing. Speaker 26: Well, it I I don't wanna give that's the different different animal, Jansy. I don't wanna get into. But even if he was a US citizen, the case took our right to bring grievances against the government. So we can't even get into a freaking court. I mean, if you don't get into a court and justice breaks down that much, the only justice you get is in the street. And that's where we're headed. Speaker 25: Well, that's what they want, and that's what we have to, you know, that's what we have to, fight against because that's what they want. Absolutely. Then they can call martial law or Yeah. Sorry. We're kind of taking this out. Sorry, Cece. We're we're getting into this discussion, but I know everybody wants justice. And so Everybody deserves justice. Yeah. Everybody deserves justice. Absolutely. They don't want this to happen to anybody else, and they want some comfort in their heart that their loved ones didn't die for for no cause, that nothing's done. I I get that. As a mama bear, I would there would be nothing that would stop me from avenging the death of my child. Nothing. Speaker 26: Yep. And I'm just saying that. Well, if if you only have one child maybe, but if you have more, yeah, there's a lot that'll stop you from avenging you. You're the one that's dead. You still have more. Speaker 25: Yes. But I would, there there would be nothing stopping me in the ways that I could to still stay around for the other kids. I mean, I'd I would I would figure it out. Speaker 26: The they'll they'll kill your other kids is what I'm saying. Speaker 25: Well and we all have I mean, these are all things that that that we have to think about in terms of what our politicians have probably been bribed with and blackmailed with in terms to go through with this agenda. Because we often ask why would they do this. How could they do this? I think I think that, there's probably a lot we don't know. Speaker 26: Hey. I'm gonna go watch the fight. Sorry. I got a little heated. Speaker 16: Well, Joy, Joy. Joy. Speaker 2: So we're gonna go to Heidi next. Speaker 8: Hi. Yes. Hello, Kale. How are you? I'm good. Speaker 2: Tell me tell me a little bit about what's going on this week over there in California with y'all's Speaker 8: Yes. So first of all, let me, say thank you to the COVID nineteen Humanity Patrol Memory Project for giving us a platform for us to share our stories and make our voices heard. As you know, my best friend, Lupe Espinosa, was murdered in Clovis Community Hospital in Clovis, California. She was admitted into the hospital on 08/04/2021 and discharged into the morgue 09/28/2021. She was given remdesivir, arcinet, high levels of fentanyl, morphine, midazolam Over the course of fifty seven days, that ultimately ended her life. She fought hard. She left behind a young son. She was a single mother. And so, thank you for giving us a voice to get our stories out to save other lives so other families don't have to live through this hell that so many families have been forced to endure all throughout The United States Of America. Circling back, you know, to the gentleman I was just listening to, the conversation. Wow. That was deep. But I 100% think that the government needs to be sued. I think that careers need to end, and I believe that lives need to be saved. No career is more important than even one life. And my voice echoes the voice of many many people out there. There have been millions of people, millions whose lives have been totally destroyed and devastated by these hospital COVID protocols, which are mandated by the NIH, CDC, the HHS, which wrote the guidelines to tell the hospital COVID protocol guidelines to tell the hospital administrators how to practice medicine, and then they tell the doctors and nurses how to practice medicine. The hospital administrators, they don't have a prac a license to practice medicine. That's extremely illegal. And I want to see and everybody else wants to see these hospital COVID protocols ending because it's not just a matter of if, it's a matter of when your loved one is affected by this. Because you can go into the urinary tract infection and end up on remdesivir Speaker 2: and dead within a week. This is real. It's happening right now. I mean, we've been dealing with it this month. Speaker 8: I know. You saved 17 lives this month alone. Speaker 2: December. This month, we're Speaker 8: working on We're at three or four right, Gail? Yes. Exactly. And those are the people who know about the COVID nineteen Humanity Betrayal Memory Project. How many people don't know? How many people don't know who they can turn to to help their loved ones? Speaker 2: Yes. I agree. I mean, I agree. And we've learned a very serious lesson in that. Really pay attention to who you have as your as your POA because we run into some POAs. Once the POA takes over, they just wanna do they don't believe this is happening in hospitals. They just wanna do whatever the the doctors tell them, and then Speaker 8: we lose them. Exactly. Your power of attorney needs to understand that the the hospitals, have turned into the modern day concentration camp. They need to know how to fight for you. Stay out of the hospital. Going into the hospital to be treated for COVID in this time in our US history is suicide. Speaker 2: So find your, biggest conspiracy theorist friend. I'm just kidding. No. I was about to say Huckleberry is gonna be, like, 400 years old. Yeah. My Huckleberry will have, Speaker 4: like, a he knows how to save you. K. No. What what your husband Speaker 8: what your husband did to save you from death, he literally rescued you from the hands of the hospital that was dead set on murdering you. I mean, your story has inspired millions across the globe. He's incredible. Speaker 2: He is incredible. He he is incredible. I thank God for him. Speaker 8: Yes. You know? So when it all boils down, how are we gonna end the hospital COVID protocols? I think the best way right now is to get the information and the awareness out there, to stand with signs, educating people in front of the hospitals, on the street corners about the hospital COVID protocol, because the more awareness we bring, the more lives we can save. Speaker 2: Yeah. And, how do we end it? See, it's so it's interesting that you asked that because, you know, we a lot of people don't know this about Huckleberry, but, you know, we've been dealing with some crim actually, criminal implications, he was indicted. And so, we've had to fight this this just we've been in this really bad after nightmare. I I know he would never turn back and say it's not worth it because he saved my life. Speaker 8: He not only saved your life, but by him doing what he did and getting your story out there, he has saved so many lives. Yeah. So people never know this side of heaven, how many lives he has saved. I I But think about that. He was indicted Speaker 4: for taking his wife out of a hospital. I mean, is it that that is so Speaker 8: scary. It's just scary. That that that is evil on every level. But you know what? I would do the same thing. If if my child was in there, I would do the exact same thing. You know, and it's interesting because they put a they put a bolo out on him after that. Speaker 2: And, we we just got a chance to see that this last week, from the the, defense attorney had just just received everything. And the bolo had some I don't know. Like, it first of all, it had a picture of him by his truck that I don't even know how they got, quite honestly. But and then, of course, his driver's license picture. But it it said it was real snarky language about how he claims to have been a been a nurse, and he alleges that the hospital was trying to kill his wife. And it was just real, but it it went out everywhere. And, you know, and, so so it's we we talk about the story. We've talked about the story a lot, and we'll we're just starting to talk about the aftermath. Right? Like, yes. You know, the the storming of the ICU was impressive. My my husband will all my husband and my daughter, they will always be my heroes. Right? Speaker 8: Your daughter was incredible. Speaker 2: Yeah. And so, and she was scared. Right? Like, when I look back at the the video that she took of the police, like, she was she was shaking. She was so scared. And, you know, because she wasn't stuck in the hallway, and my husband was in the room. But, That she was gonna get her mama out at all cost, and she did. Yeah. She and her dad's her her dad was, you know, already in the room, and she's like, oh my gosh. The you know, she was, you know, just trying to explain to the police, you know, that I was that the hospital was harming me. And, but but we talk about we talk about that rescue, And and it was in in my opinion, it was magnificent because I still remember the feeling I had when I saw my husband walk in that room and say, honey, I'm here to take you home. It was, that's why he's called Huckleberry because I said, there's my Huckleberry. It was so I I mean, the people that you like, I could see out my window of the into the hallway. They were chasing him and could not catch him, and they were bumping into each other. And then it was like all this chaos, and they were so they were so cocky when he was on the phone. But when he was standing there, biggest life in the room. Speaker 4: But you were like a prisoner. You were kidnapped. And the problem is most people don't have spouses that are nurses or would know how to do that. And so that that's the that's the problem. I mean, you are so fortunate that he was a retired nurse, and he and he knew Speaker 9: what they were doing was wrong. But Speaker 2: most of the time military trained. Right? So Speaker 4: so Right. And that's what it takes to get someone out of the hospital is to be a military and and a registered nurse. I mean, that's a scary place for the rest of us to be. And he he really is, Speaker 2: in my opinion, being punished for not letting me die. And I think What And I think for making the police look bad because he had called them the day before he took this action and had them do a welfare check. And I told the officer I was what was happening to me, the abuse, the neglect, and that if I stayed there, I was gonna be murdered. And the officer said, oh my god. We don't have a protocol for this, and he left. And he left me there to to face my my abusers who were in the so I I think part of it is they did have a protocol, I found out later. They should there were certain actions that they should've taken. And so, I you know, we didn't know you know, when he took me out of there, I remember us saying, nobody's gonna believe this crazy hospital experience we have. We just had this most crazy hospital experience. And I started talking about it. I went on, you know, His Glory TV first because they helped my daughter, and then another radio, crusader radio. And I heard from hundreds and hundreds of people, and then I met you, Cece, and did my interview with you and Brad. And, and that was and and I don't know. We've been, we've been a ball and chain to each other ever since. No. I'm just kidding. No. We've been, you know, and and and I I we were me and me and Huckleberry, we were gonna start we were gonna start a foundation, and then I thought, well, former Fence is doing it all that everything that we were gonna do. And so why reinvent the wheel and we'll just put it all into that. So, you know yeah. So it's been we haven't been able to talk about this we've been hesitant to talk about the story of what happened once he got me home and what happened in the months at you know, the day the weeks and the months that he he him and my daughter worked to save me and the aftermath. And I think we're getting to the point where, I mean, screw it. We're just probably gonna we're just gonna talk about it because it was heroic, but it was hard, and it wasn't without its consequences. And I don't know what the future is gonna look like. We could get a jury that comp I mean, if it even goes to trial, we could get a jury that totally hates the unvaccinated. I I don't know. I mean, it's Collin County, Texas. Right? So, Speaker 8: you know what? So someday your story needs to be a major motion film. Nicholas Sparks needs to write a novel about you guys because that's the most beautiful love story I've ever heard. He risked everything for you. Your your guys' love for each other is being heard around the nation and it's helping inspire other people to stand up for their loved ones and rescue them from the hands of these hospital medical institutions. Speaker 4: Yeah. Here's the problem, though. It was touch and go for Gail to live. I mean, he had to MacGyver us some stuff. And, again, most people don't know how to do that. The problem we have to get them from not going at all. Exactly. We have to make them not go like, Speaker 2: I mean, if the if the tables have had been turned, would I have been able to save Huckleberry? I don't I I don't think I would have had the know how. I don't think I would have been able to physically get him out of that bed and into the truck. I don't think I would have I mean, maybe. But, but the I have to tell you that the man's not only not only his courage, but his command of that room was something I I I mean, I I would Is it Paul? Yeah. I mean, he was as a as a former nurse, of course, he was when he walked in, you know, I I was I was naked and filthy and uncovered and the you know, no privacy curtain. My hair was matted to my head. I had thrushed. I I was. Goodness. Speaker 8: And isn't that interesting though? Because throughout the whole nation, they do the same thing. They strip them down naked, make them poop on themselves. Mhmm. They take our did our loved one's dignity away by design. Because the same thing that happened to you is happening to That's right. Speaker 2: All stories across the nation. So this is And I didn't know that at like, I I didn't know that at the time. Like, I knew that that people were dying from the EUA drugs from remdesivir. Like, I knew run death is near, but, I didn't realize that the horrible treatment, the abuse, and the neglect, and the dehumanization was happening. I I describe it always as being treated like an animal. And when my husband saw the condition I was in, he wasn't expecting it, and he was he was quite angry. So every time those nurses would come or any or doctors or anybody would come in the room, he would just start snapping orders at him. Get her a private privacy curtain. Clean up that poop. Do like, he just started, and they would do it. Like, they were bumping into each other, like, running around because they were facing him in the room, and he was mad as hell. And then when they would leave the room, he would start looking through the cabinets. He'd be like, I need this at home. I need this at home because he was planning. He was assessing me. He was taking my vitals. He was he was doing all the things that he had to do to figure out how we were gonna and I didn't know how we were gonna get out of there. I I mean, he got in. He got in, but I didn't know how we were gonna get out. And I think Speaker 8: And tell me that there was a point where you told yourself, is this correct, that you would rather die at home in his harms than at the hands of the hospital. Yes. When the doctors came Speaker 2: when the doctors came, the final doctors to gaslight me, they were telling me that, that, oh, he can't manage your oxygen. He you're too far you know, if you go home, you will die. You'll die. And I asked him if he if he had everything he needed to take care of me, and he said yes. And, we didn't know at the time that we needed more, but we got more. But I, yeah, I looked at the doctor, and I said, I would rather die at at his hands trying to save me, with him trying to save me at home, than be murdered at your hands because I will be murdered if I stay. I will be murdered. And I said, I'm gonna go home. And the police came in to try to convince him to leave again, and I told them I said, you're gonna have to decide today if I'm a prisoner or a patient because I wanna go home with my husband. I wanna go home. And then, you know, lot it a lot happened, but as soon as as soon as they decided to let me go, you know, they brought in that AMA form, and I I didn't I wasn't leaving AMA. I told them I was leaving home hospice because I wasn't letting them off the hook that easy. And and I was leaving because of medical advice because I had talked to doctors who said you need to leave. You're you're gonna die there. And, they brought in that AMA form, and Huckleberry started crossing out things and rewriting it to what he knew was a home home hospice form, and then we signed it. As soon as he signed it, the as soon as I signed it, the foreigner signed it, and they went hands off. And, Huckleberry was working to get me Huckleberry was working working to get me, onto the little bottle of oxygen that he brought. And Speaker 8: I I was struggling because I was on 60 liters at this point. And Yeah. And tell tell me something because you thought you were just gonna jump out of bed, jump in that wheelchair. Right? Tell tell me That didn't happen. Speaker 2: So, so I realized, like, I couldn't I had been, you know, twelve days without nutrition. Speaker 8: I had gone seven days without water and Oh, and and let let that sink in with the audience. She went without food and water. They had a a a they were gonna in their minds, Speaker 2: they were gonna murder her. Yeah. And I was literally, like, I I was I I hadn't been out of that bed. They you know, I wasn't able to get out of that bed for twelve days, so my nothing worked. Nothing worked very well. I couldn't bear weight. So my my husband being familiar with how to transfer a non, weight bearing patient well, first, he said he said I need a wheelchair. And they were like, if you can find one they weren't even gonna get him a wheelchair. So he went out in the hallway, got and he got a, a wheelchair and brought it in. And then, you know, he was like he we tried to use up as much of their oxygen as we could. And the whole time, William this, William Fripp, the, the floor nurse was tapping his watch at the door, standing at the open door. Huckleberry is trying to get me dressed, get a shirt on me, get my pants on, and he's standing there with the door open, tapping, his watch. And so, so, like, Huckleberry so I don't I'm just gonna kinda describe it. So it was Medical City Plano in Texas here in Plano, Texas. And Huckleberry, when he he came in, he got in so fast. The the ICU was right over the emergency room. It was, like, in and up, and there was my room. When Huckleberry got me into the wheelchair to take me out, the nurse, they had my daughter park way in the back, back entrance, and he told Huckleberry, he's like, I'm gonna take you a shortcut. And it wasn't a shortcut. It was a long cut. And they took me all through the these these, hallways using up my oxygen. And, they took me to the back, service elevator where they take bodies down to the morgue and out the doors where the where the where the, funeral homes pick up the bodies. And I know it was to send us a message because when, my daughter was there too, and and as my husband was trying to get me, in the truck, the floor nurse told my daughter he was, like, right up in her face, actually. He told her he said, your mom is gonna have a heart attack. She's gonna code. If she does it here, we'll try one time to save her. We'll we'll revive her one time and one time only. If she does it at home, she's just gonna die. And my daughter said my she said, well, first of all, she goes, I rebuke she's like, I rebuke what you said. My mom is not going to die. My mother is not gonna die. But then that there's no Speaker 8: more worse form of evil than somebody Speaker 2: literally telling your daughter your mother is going to die. And he was trying to scare her and she doesn't you know, she she's she's her mother's daughter. Right? She doesn't scare. And so, then he said it to my husband after my husband got in the car. He said he said, mark my words. She'll be she'll be dead she'll be dead by tonight. She may be dead by the time you get her home. And, my husband turned around, and he said this is exactly what he said. I'm just not even gonna sugarcoat it. He said, you better hope she is. You better hope she is because I know my wife, and I'm a work hard to save her. You better hope she is. She does die because if she lives, she is never gonna let this go. She's gonna keep coming after you. And he was like, you m f her, and then he shut the door and he drove off and drove me home. So he but, I mean, the way that they documented that experience in my medical records was he he made it sound like I was going home to an abusive man. He said, she looked afraid and she was gray. And I asked her, I said, ma'am, are you alright? Would you like me to help you? And she shook her head and looked down. That's not what happened at all. Speaker 16: Oh, Speaker 2: such evil. Such evil on every level. Yeah. And so the be on the lookout for for my husband made him sound like he was a dangerous man. The hospital told the police that he was taking me home to kill me when it was quite the opposite. The hospital was trying to kill me. My husband my husband, slayed a dragon for me. Speaker 8: Yes. Yes. He did. Yes. He did. And and can you tell us can you bring us back to the day that the hospital gave you that one round of remdesivir and what it felt like going through your veins? Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'll tell you. So, people ask me this a lot, and, I, I agreed to the one round of remdesivir because the when when I first went in the hospital, when I first got up to the ICU, the doctor, asked me if I was vaccinated. I said no. And and the doctor patted me on the hand and said, I'm so sorry, missus Seiler, but you're gonna die. And so I asked him I said that you gave me first like, after I fired him 8,000,000 times and called my husband, I I said, I you gave me the terminal diagnosis. I want the right to try ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and budesonide, and I want my priest to be allowed to come in to give me my sacraments. My priest. Not any priest. I want my priest because my priest knows what's up. I like to go out to hospitals. And and he said no. But then he came back the next day, and he said, I'll allow your priest to come in if you take remdesivir. Speaker 23: And so That is evil. You will. Evil. Of course. Speaker 2: And so we were hoping the priest would get there before they gave me that first round, but it it was after the first round. And so, so I got one round of remdesivir, and I will tell you, I remember texting my daughter, and I said, this feels like poison to my heart. It felt like fiberglass in my veins. That's what it felt like to get remdesivir. And I I knew it was wrong. I knew it was painful, and it runs all night, like, eight hours slowly into you. And so Speaker 8: yeah. I think you know you you know what? My best friend, Lupe, right, she took pictures of her arm. Her arm Ugh. Black and blue all the way up and down from the remdesivir poisoning. So I could just imagine through your words what she went through, what all our loved ones went through. Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 8: Evil on every level. Speaker 10: Yeah. Hey, Gail. This is Sam. I just wanna say one thing. I am so angry right now to hear that part of your story, and I just wanna say they are going to hell. That's all there is to it. We may not get them here, but they are gonna pay such a price. Speaker 25: Such a price. Yeah. Speaker 4: Yeah. To somebody for saving their wife's life is unbelievable. But I wanna jump to doctor Ghiafonte real fast because it's late where he is, and he actually a doctor of fifty years and a COVID protocol survivor where he had to escape. So I think he's gotta didn't really piggyback, on that. I sent you the mic, doctor Ghiafanti. Do you have it to to hit accept? Doctor Bane, this is who I was talking about that I wanted you to meet the other day. Did you accept the mic? I'm gonna send it again. And Harry and then Harry Fisher is next. EMT. Yeah. Speaker 1: No. There's a long line. Speaker 19: Accept your mics. Speaker 4: You have to hit accept on the invitation. Speaker 3: They may have to request CC. That that's been happening a lot in our spaces. Speaker 4: Okay. I canceled it right, and I'm gonna re reinvite or or hit send a request to us. Do we get him? I think we got him. I can't tell. Let's see. Did you send a request, doctor Yovanti? Okay. Go ahead, Harry, until we get him up. Speaker 21: That was a hard story to listen to. I couldn't see I didn't see the name. I was just sitting here listening to the story about trying to escape that hospital alive. I'm glad you're still with us. Glad you had an advocate like your husband. A lot of people didn't have good advocates like that, especially with COVID protocols. Thanks. They wouldn't let people in. It was it was harsh. I would suggest anybody have a solid advocate go to the hospital with them, especially nowadays since they ran off so many so many good patient advocates in the health care community. Now you have a lot of people that will judge you if you don't, you know, take if you don't follow the science completely, you'll have people that are pretty much looking at you like you're a second rate citizen. So it's it's sick. It's really twisted, and whoever said evil, it's it's extremely evil what what our community is allowed to to to allowed us to become. It's sad. I would, I was working in New York City, a COVID ICU, and I this gentleman was doing I mean, he was doing okay for having COVID and multiple he had the vaccines. And at the time, they were saying you don't get COVID, and you definitely don't die from COVID if you have these vaccines. And a lot of people were getting COVID and still dying even though the news and the president was saying otherwise. But I was I would try to tell him, stay off the vent as you know, if they're gonna try to talk you into the vent. I see better, you know, outcomes, of course, if you don't go that route. And I was talking to him, and I was on night shift, and I was just man. I get it. You're anxious. It's tough. This is it's not fun giving you some oxygen. Just breathe and just go with it. You know? You're you're gonna be okay. Just don't don't let them see you're scared. Because once they saw you were scared, a lot of the doctors would come in and try to talk you into a heavy dose of anxiety meds. And then not long after, I noticed they would start intubating them. Quick to the anxiety meds and then just quick to the tube. And once you go on that tube, I predominantly, you weren't coming off of it. So I would I would try to keep them from getting too scared, really. You know? Pray with them, whatever you can do just to to help them calm down. And he got anxious, and sash dropped a little bit, not too bad. And, of course, there comes the doc. Gave him the anxiety meds, and couple days later, he was gone. And that happened so many times. It was just hell to watch, hell to witness. Being put on that vent was pretty much a death sentence in my opinion. I mean, some people made it, but it was just rare in comparison. And you knew whenever you left your shift, once they decided to do that, you were gonna be coming into an empty bed or a new person in that bed. And that's just very sad. I'm I witnessed our health care community kill people. No. Not most of them not knowingly, but our protocols were working against us. And the money that was being thrown at hospitals through federal money for certain things that they were doing, that worked against the population as well. And then when they mandated the shots for health care people, those of us that did wanna be do wanna be patient advocates, we were without a job. I was without a job for a couple months, because I wouldn't take that shot. I just wouldn't test all people dying afterwards. I I knew something was wrong and did CPR and a Pfizer line. I mean, the nurse was like, that's the second patient in two weeks. I mean, I didn't wanna put that in my body for very good reason. So I was calling around to try to get a job, and, I would talk to the people, and I'd be like, I'm a paramedic. And they're like, we need paramedics. We need it all bad. Can you start right now? I'd be like, yeah. I can start right now. Then they would say, well, do you have what you know, the COVID nineteen shot? I was like, no. I'm not gonna get that. And I would just go through my story with them. I've done CPR on a Pfizer line. I've seen people die. I've worked all through COVID. I don't need to take this shot. I'm sure I've been exposed more than the general public, and I'm still alive. I don't wanna risk taking that shot. And they would be like, well, we can't hire you. And I would straight up ask them. I would be like there was one conversation I remember just, ma'am, how long does it take for an ambulance to get to a heart attack or stroke right now in your community? How long is it what is your ambulance call times or right now since you're lacking staff? And, you know, she was like, forty five minutes to an hour sometimes. I was like, so forty five minutes to an hour to get to some of the people in your community, and you're not gonna hire me because I don't wanna take an experimental shot. Do you see how they're killing your community? I mean, it it time is hearts. Time is brain. And you weren't hiring us capable people because we didn't wanna take something that we saw either saw harm people or felt deeply that it could harm us. The the scale of genocide genocide has to be the word. The scale of murder that we've witnessed in these last few years is beyond measure. And I pray once the general public wakes up to all of the horrible things that have occurred that we stand and fight against this because I do not want, I don't want my kids to grow up and have to go through worse. I don't want my grandkids. I mean, most of the kids nowadays are too scared to drive a car. They Uber everywhere. They're not going to be able to put up with they're not gonna be able to stand up to tyrants. So if our generation doesn't, it's just gonna get worse. Thank you. Speaker 8: Amen. I I have a question for you, Harry. Are are you still there? Yes. Working in the hospital, tell me something because because at Clovis Community Hospital when the pandemic occurred, in the beginning, they were using hydroxychloroquine to treat the pay patients there, and fourteen out of sixteen people survived the vent. After remdesivir was introduced, everybody started dying in mass. Did you see that as well at the hospital you worked at? Speaker 21: They were demonizing hydroxychloroquine and, and ivermectin pretty bad at the hospital I was at or the hospital a couple of hospitals that I was at was during the time when they were just pushing the whole, what are you a part of team horse paste? So they were demonizing all that stuff, immensely. Remdesivir, that was something that was introduced, and we knew that, you know, death was near if you were getting the remdesivir. As far as but in New York City and places that I've been like that, they they were they were the type that would not really do anything that you wanted to do if it went against their protocols. So I didn't I didn't see those drugs utilized. Okay. So in the beginning, they never used hydroxychloroquine. Speaker 8: Right? Speaker 21: Not that I not to my knowledge. No. I know that they were it was still available because, like, my my mother was, she used she used hydroxychloroquine and made it through, but she also didn't go to the hospital either just because I my family, whenever they got sick, I I I mean, I was telling them the hospital's not the place you wanna be. I mean, unless we absolutely have to, which is sad because, I mean, I was working in hospitals, but I was just if if you can stay home, your best bet is to stay home. If we need to get you some oxygen, we'll figure out a way to get you some oxygen, but the best bet is to stay home just because I saw the outcomes. The outcomes were Speaker 8: were horrible. Thank you. Thank you for your witness to these crimes against humanity. Thank you so much. Thank you for being part of the solution. Speaker 21: Thanks for having me on. Speaker 2: Thanks, Harry. And that was me that was telling the story, Huckleberry's wife. Huckleberry's wife. Speaker 21: Well, I'm glad you're still with us, and good on your head. Absolutely. Speaker 2: You'll always be my hero. So who do we have next? I think we have Speaker 25: Thank you, Harry. I appreciate you. Speaker 6: Yeah. Speaker 25: So so I just wanna step in real quick and just say that, the Mick is organizing the Oklahoma legislature, and, hopefully, we'll be able to get Harry to speak there at the Oklahoma legislature once she gets that going. She said that she's setting up meetings. And so I'm not able to go to the rally, but she's busy, setting up actual meetings. And, hopefully, we'll be able to do what we've done in South Carolina and in Mississippi and at the US Senate and be able to actually go and have a formal hearing at their at their legislature, and we hope that Harry's gonna be a part of it and some other people from Oklahoma. So, just wanted to step in there and and, of course, Speaker 2: go ahead. Thanks, doctor Fiancey. So the I'm just gonna read off the order of speakers so people I know people have been waiting a very long time, and I'm I'm so sorry. I this is the order I have, Miriam, Catherine Hippie, Deborah Davis, and then doctor Bain. So Miriam then Catherine. Speaker 10: Hey, Gail. Sorry about losing my temper earlier. No. That I mean I mean Speaker 2: You know? Speaker 16: I just it hits me to my core. But, Speaker 10: what I wanted to say was, relative to something that doctor Jansy said quite a while ago and also doctor Margaret, you know, and I think doctor Jansy during her, talk with, John, I think that, you know, John and her did her their conversation did a great job highlighting the chat the humongous challenge we face in trying to navigate a legal system to get justice. And I think that so many people have pointed out that right now we do have to, at a grassroots level, help people to save themselves and their loved ones because the the road to justice is going to be so very long through the legal system and through the political system. The HHS thing with secretary Becerra illustrates that. So, and I think on the last point, doctor Dancy mentioned our kids, and I think that and Harry did too. I think that we have to have to in our own families. We have to understand that the generation to come is going to be the one that saves humanity. Because if we can't protect those little ones and their immune, excuse me, their immune systems and keep them from being jabbed with all of the vaccines that are coming. They're they're doing mRNA for RSV and all these other things. They're trying as part of their agenda to make sure that they achieve the depopulation that they want to achieve. And the WF and the WHO make no bones about their plans with agenda 2030 with the international health regulations and with the pandemic treaty, And it is coming up in May. And so with the way the system is designed, you know, I don't see us from the top down stopping this. But I do see if we can keep educating and sharing and stand up, follow Huckleberry's lead. You know? Save our loved ones. Don't allow them to access. Be prepared. It's the only way we can win is not letting them kill us Oh, yeah. Loved ones. I love I love you. Yeah. Moral courage for by far. Right? Speaker 2: Yes. Speaker 9: Yeah. Thank you. Speaker 29: Yep. Yep. Speaker 2: Okay. So Catherine is after Miriam. Speaker 28: I I don't even know what to say at this point. I mean, there's there's been a whole lot said here, lots lots of different, lots of different paths I can go down on this one. Especially all all the discussion of all the the the legal stuff, I mean, from, the admissions and and, the Pfizer's response and and Brooke Jackson case. I mean, yes. I'm, well, obviously, well aware of that, to I mean, I I did not know the story of of the Huckleberry rescue there, and that is also I mean, that's that's amazing. And, I mean, I'd I'd love to talk to you sometime about, you know, how to how how can we how can we start making that into something more accessible. I suppose I should probably introduce myself because I do see a lot of people who probably don't know me. So, I am the executive director of Freedom Council, which is with SEL. And, you know, we're a new nonprofit that is working to, connect and empower attorneys, to take on all of these cases. I mean, a long time ago, John was talking about how they're all solo small practice attorneys, and that is 100% true. They are. They are all solo and small practice, the ones that wanna step up, and they're stepping out of their comfort zones. They're they're in this very difficult position. And these cases are incredibly difficult and incredibly complicated. And as doctor Jansy was saying, they're expensive. They are insanely expensive, because the process is the punishment. And so we're working on, you know, how do we how do we make it go? And, I mean, I do have some new news on that actually just recently. We are we are really making some progress here in terms of working out some systems. You know, we're we're essentially trying to figure out how to create a system to deal with a huge amount of cases, the complexity that we're dealing with, how to, you know, recreate what they did so we could understand what they did on a systemic level so we can figure out those you know, what did they do? Why did they do it? Who's really, behind it? We do know it's definitely the hospital administrators and the government and all those things. How do we claw back to that point? And, you know, we're we're essentially working at creating something of a pseudo law firm, with all these small, solo practice attorneys. And we're pulling together a lot of, nurse, consultants too. Just last night, I was on a call with about over a dozen people just working at how do we start taking down these these, records. Because we're we're looking at records with, you know, ten, fifteen thousand pages in them and an absolute madness in them. And how do we start dealing with that? So I I mean, I guess that's some of my some of my updates right now. But, I mean, my head is my head is spinning, listening to all this. And I suppose I can answer questions, but, I mean, I don't I don't know if I have much more coherent right now. Thank you, Catherine. Speaker 2: Okay, Catherine. You're such a great partner. So we're gonna get so Hippie, Deborah, doctor Bain, and I saw Crystal on, but if she comes back on the speaker, then she would be after doctor Bing. But Speaker 4: And then doctor Iovante, if you could get the mic Speaker 2: if you could accept the mic, we'll we'll weave you in here as soon as you're a speaker. Speaker 3: Hey. Thanks, Cece. First of all, I'm just gonna say, Catherine, I am a medical legal transcriptionist of thirty years, also was a nurse. Anything anything at all I can do. Just DM me, please. Wait. Wait. Where are you? Medical malpractice. I mean, I'm up top here. Well, on my screen. I'm one of the four, like, up top. Speaker 28: Yeah. It's showing me the the purple little speaker thing. So I'm trying to find what what what's your name on this? Okay. It'd be I know we're all like out. Alright. There we go. Alright. I'm DM ing you now. Speaker 4: So I'm probably about to get that. Speaker 3: So I'm kind of kinda all over the place like a mad woman's breakfast. But okay. So first of all, I've been screaming about Javier Becerra for years. I worked in his, California DOJ. I was in the docketing department. I was responsible for putting cases together, and, you know, putting exhibits and stuff together. I saw every single last one of the, lawsuits that he filed incessantly against the Trump administration. I had an encounter with him, and I don't know. I'm just gonna say it out how how it happened. It kinda sounds very, very, but I think there's a reason. I think the Lord revealed it to me. I was in an elevator with him, and, had a shot of his profile. And as I watched him speak, the hair on the back of my neck stood straight up. A chill went down my spine, and I audibly gasped to where my friends in the elevator with me were like, what the hell? And I was in so shocked. So I was in such shock that what I what I witnessed was, like, real pure evil, and I think there was a reason why that was revealed to me. And, so I've been on this crusade. I mean, you can ask Mooney. I bring it up all the time. I knew in my heart the minute I realized he was HHS. The man is former La Raza. He's also a Jesuit. He's dangerous, dangerous man, and I think we should be making a much more loud louder noise. Yes, Mayorkas is important to impeach, but Javier Becerra has had some subterfuge for too long. And, anyway, so that's that's my experience with him. He's evil. I mean, I've walked across the prison yard because I used to work for the prisons too with Charles Manson and didn't even feel that much evil. That's how bad it was. But, anyway, I I just wanted to say, Huckleberry's wife, bless you. And, you had my my face is all wet from listening to your story because that's real love. And, you know, I just, I just you can't help but admire that. I'm realizing by listening to all these stories how much that I want to do whatever I can to help. I've been bed bound for a while because I was, in 02/2019, probably in September, October, I got some some something that the doctors couldn't figure out what it was. But so I had all the hallmarks of COVID. And I was intubated and put into a a coma induced coma for a week and, intubated. It blew up. They had to cut I wear a lot of rings. They had to cut off every single even my toe ring, they had to cut off. And my lungs have never been the same. So, after two years, if the feeling like, you know, I just wanted to pull a waiver in my head and and say say la vie, because I lost my career. I lost everything, and came back to California. I was in a little place called Lagudi, Indiana when all that happened, and thank god I was because it was worse out here. So I made it home. And, you know, here here I am today, and, each day, it gets a little better. I did have a vaxx because I thought I was going to go back into the government and work, somehow, someway. I didn't get as, injured as as some of my, dear friends in the from the bio have been injured. And, I think there's a reason why, and I think there's a reason why things were revealed to me. And so if there's any way, shape, or form, I can help. I'm here. And, anyway, that's that's all I wanted to say. Thanks, Cece and and Huckleberry's wife. You got a good one, Keith. Thank you. Speaker 2: Yeah. He can do no wrong now. Right? Okay. Deborah, then doctor Bain, and then Crystal. Speaker 5: Hi, guys. It's been I I don't even know what I'm I intended to find now. We've it's okay. I've I've enjoyed listening to everybody, And, and I feel really bad going in front of doctor Bang because, I always enjoy him so much and hate for him to wait. But all, I I wrote a few notes, so let me see if I can make some sense out of what I had to what I was thinking. When doctor Dancy was talking, evidently, she's in Texas along with you, Gail, and, I'm in Oklahoma. I didn't know anything about that lawsuit that she was talking about that was filed. However, I did know that in 2021, our Oklahoma legislature passed the no patient left alone bill, which the governor signed. When my husband, whose oxygen level was at 56, had to be transported to the hospital, and I wasn't allowed to go in with him. I told them that I was his health care advocate, and, we had the no patient left alone law. And I was threatened with arrest and jail and informed that the hospital wasn't observing that law. When I when I requested ivermectin, hydroxy, budesonide, steroids, high dose vitamin c, etcetera, I was told that only that they only followed the CDC, FDA, HHS protocols, and wouldn't do it. So somebody was talking about what we need to be doing. We need congress to be working for We the People and not for big pharma, tech, media, and their own bank accounts. All that to announce to you, my fellow warriors, my daughter, Brooke McGowan, who was with who flew here. She lives in North Carolina and actually was on vacation in Savannah, Georgia. When I called her and told her that her daddy had been taken to the well, actually, she's on the phone with me when the when we called the e the ambulance. She flew out the next day. Thank the lord. Because, she tried to advocate. We both try I was sick with COVID too. Anyway, she's running for congress in North Carolina. Right now, I'm coming to you with a special request. She needs a thousand unique donors. Speaker 6: You can Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I I wrote notes, so I can't read my notes. Please go to her website. It's brookefornc. Com. Brooke, b r o o k e four f o r n c dot com. You can see some of what she's been doing. She's been a lifelong grassroots, Christian conservative, America first patriot. Please donate now. She needs a minimum of $5. She like I said, she's gotta have a thousand, and she needs this ASAP. She's fighting rhinos with a lot of money and donors that are not conservatives. They're big pharma tech, etcetera. Brooke will go to DC and work and fight back for We The People. She wants justice for the murder of her daddy, my husband of forty seven years. And, Gail, listening to yours in Huckleberry's story just makes me feel so stinking. I mean, I'm so happy for you, and I'm I'm so incredibly, and I admire him so much. When I was thrown out of the hospital, I had a gun in my purse. And, trust me, I thought about going in there guns blazing. I only had five bullets, so I didn't know how long it would last. And I also didn't think I could help Jenny. And, and he knew no one was coming to save him, so he tried to sell save himself. And, Harry Fisher, if you're still on, I I wanted your opinion on this because, Speaker 2: you're a paramedic. My son is He's not on a he's not on this we had to move speakers around, so he won't be able to answer you. Speaker 5: Oh, okay. Well, so Jimmy didn't want, and Harry kinda talked about this or somebody had that about people being scared, in the hospital. And, you know, we were. And and Jim didn't wanna be there. And, of course, they told him he was gonna die if he didn't get on around deathbed or be put on a ventilator. And so he wanted to leave, and, and he signed it supposedly, he signed himself out. He had his oxygen was 56, so he didn't know what he was doing. That's why he needed me, his health care advocate, you know, with him. And, and they didn't put oxygen on him when that's where I wanna ask Harry because they didn't put oxygen on him when they let him leave the emergency room, and he didn't get but a few feet away when he collapsed and went into cardiac arrest. They did CPR and, immediately put him on a vent, took him up to COVID ICU, and I didn't see him until after he was Speaker 2: just close to death. See, that's the difference between leaving AMA and leaving home hospice, and that's what we were trying to push for. So, like, when you leave AMA against medical advice, they they're allowed to go hands off and just let whatever happened happen. But when you leave home hospice, they are supposed to assist you with the things that you need to go to go into home hospice. And so that's what we were we were trying to, that's one of the reasons we wouldn't sign AMA, but only home hospice. But Speaker 5: He probably wasn't given the option. And we had we had been at the VA hospital the night before, and he had been on oxygen all night. And, we left early that next morning. They they sent us home with oxygen tanks. And, and and then they had a concentrator sent out here. Well, the the people that delivered the concentrator, the only mask they left had big holes in the mask. I I mean, there's no way he was getting oxygen with that mask, and that's why his oxygen got so low. And and, you know, if I'd if I knew then what I know now, I'd have duct taped it. You know? I mean, I literally didn't even I wasn't even thinking. And, of course, he I mean, he was a former firefighter. He was, very smart and very together, but his oxygen was 56. You know, he wasn't Speaker 2: thinking as clearly. He had to been hypoxic at that moment. Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. And then when the ambulance got here, they didn't put oxygen on him. So, I mean, they didn't didn't take his tanks. They didn't put oxygen on him to take him out to the ambulance, and he looked like he was getting ready to stroke out when he was only four or five feet from where his chair from where he had the oxygen on him. So I tell you what, there's just as you know, there's, you know, close to a million stories Yeah. Like this. And, it's just awful. So thanks for letting me talk. And and thanks for letting me announce about Brooke because You're really guys, we want we want people in congress that will fight for us. And Deborah's a proud Deborah's a proud mama. Speaker 2: Alright. I'm gonna take it a little bit out of order because, you know, it's it's it's kinda getting late, but I do want I want Crystal, Crystal to talk because we keep losing her. So Crystal and then doctor Gefante and then I think doctor Bain already dropped. But so Crystal and then doctor Gefonte. Just take yourself off mute, Crystal. Speaker 16: Okay. Can you hear me now? Okay. Great. Hi. As Gail introduced me, I'm Crystal, and I have a little bit of an update and a little bit of some good news. But before that, Gail, I just wanna address you for just a few seconds here. You were born for such a time as this. You have personally told me your story, and every time, it really gets my heart. You will you're bringing validity to those who have died, and you're a voice for those for whom it was too late. Appreciate you so much. Appreciate this little bit of time for this little bit of platform, and I just wanna do everything and anything that I can to get justice for all of our loved ones. In case you don't know, I was on two weeks ago. Gail had had had invited me and my medical advocate, Stephanie Stock, and she promised me that if I would help her, she would go to bat, and we would get a bill for Ohio, and we have done that. It's h b 73, protecting patients, protecting providers, protecting freedom of medical speech, the Dave and Angie patient and health provider protection act. We have been through the house. It passed 73 votes. H b 73, that is no coincidence. I believe in prayer, and I've heard a lot of folk talk on here about faith. Thank God. And that's my backbone. That's my strength. And I appreciate prayer. But the good news is, as I said, we've been through the senate. Now on Tuesday, it's actually a day after my sister's birthday. On the twenty fourth, they will hear h b 73 in the senate health committee. It will be an introductory. So that is the second portion of this. And please continue to be in unity with me and, again, to pray that this will move then through the senate. We have had many people, who had written emails to the senate leaders. Oh, am I can you still hear me? Okay. Sorry. I thought I thought my mic did something funky. Okay. We had a call to action for many who wrote emails, made phone calls, and also prayed if they couldn't do that, and it's working. So they are expediting it on again the twenty fourth this coming Tuesday, and I just had to share that publicly. And I thank you again for this platform, Gail, and for all of you and for all of you that have lost loved ones. I know what it's like, and I will pray for you as well. Appreciate you, Crystal. So this this Tuesday, storm heaven. Right? You got it. Thank you, friend. Speaker 2: We will. So proud of what you've done there. Thank you. Doctor Gilfonte. Gilfonte. I hope I'm pronouncing your name right. Speaker 30: Hey. After me signing off and coming back on and all the stuff we went through, Can you hear me now? We can. Alright. So I've been reviewing some Oklahoma cases. And, one of the thing that struck me was the doctor that took over this patient's care ignored the doctor that had requested a a, infectious disease reef you know, consult, then ignored the consult itself and told the patient's wife that the patient's gonna die. I mean, I've never seen, well, my understanding and if there's anybody on that knows more about the law than I do, which is pretty much anybody. But my understanding is, a a generalist or a hospitalist or pulmonologist in this case, if, if he loses a, an infectious disease case, he's held to the same standard as the infectious disease doc. Well, the infectious disease doc asked for certain labs, not once, not twice, but seven times, and he refused. You know, it it looked like he just wanted to kill this patient. I've have you guys seen this? Speaker 4: Well, you know that to be true. They kill you, doctor Giffel. I mean, over and over again. Right? Yeah. I mean, we were talking about this the other day. I mean, you had your own experience where you knew if you stayed, you were gonna they were gonna kill you. Yes. Speaker 30: Yes. But, you know, my infectious disease docs all followed the protocol, and nobody and they well, I don't know really because they they wouldn't let, let them, you know, they wouldn't let them, let me talk to them when when, you know, when the time when when I needed to. Speaker 4: Will you kinda explain about to some there's a lot of new people on here about the protocol and who makes that and why it's important to ask why what the rationale is behind that what they're doing and the standard of care that we talked about at lunch the other day. Sure. Alright. So Speaker 30: the standard of care, is you talk to the patient and ask them what what's what's going on. That's your subjective. And that subjective allows you to focus what you're going to do. Right? So if somebody's complaining of, of, not being able to breathe, you don't look at his foot. You you listen to his lungs, which leads you to the objective. And here's what breaks down Speaker 7: completely. Speaker 30: The objective includes not only a physical exam, and and I understand some of the docs aren't even aren't even touching the patient, but includes labs. And COVID comes in basically, three phases. The first phase is the viral infection. You don't know you have symptoms until day five. By day 12, the virus is no longer, replicating. So anybody that gets remdesivir on day 13, that is a complete waste of drug. And and all drugs have side effects. So you shouldn't be using a drug that has severe side effects like loss of kidneys when the patient's not in the viral phase. So when you get a lab and the lab says you've got inflammation, you guys have probably heard of the cytokine storm. It's your autoimmune system. And what's being done with the protocol is you're given six milligrams of dexamethasone. And, of course, the question is, did it work? That's your fundamental question. Did it work? And if, they can't answer that question, they then you shouldn't, you should stop treating the patient. Do does that make sense? If you're trying to find out if it worked and you can't answer the question, did it work, you should stop. You're you you have no Yeah. You have no plan if you're just following a protocol. And so here's what happened to me. I was put in COVID isolation on day 12. That's when I came in. I'm not really a good patient. And the doctor said to me, you're no longer infected. You know, you're you're you're past the virus stage. And I said, okay. What am I doing in isolation then? If I'm not contagious, shouldn't I be on a regular ward? The doc shook his shoulders. He he shrugged his shoulders. And what that told me was, here's a doctor that's not in charge of my care. Somebody higher up is. And so, I asked him if he's given me dexamethasone, why isn't he giving me a steroid inhaler? Isn't it the the lungs that need to be, immune suppressed? Not not the rest of the body. And, again, he just shrugged his shoulders. I said, this is stupid. No. Not terribly respectful, I suppose. But, eventually, he gave me a steroid inhaler. Because every time he came in, I was like, I should be getting a steroid inhaler. We're trying to suppress the the immune system in the lungs. So what you have here is not standard of care. Standard of care is not that everybody does the same thing. If that was the case, new drugs couldn't be used because by their very nature of being new, they wouldn't be standard of care. Standard of care is listening to the patient, evaluating, looking drawing labs, making an assessment, and then creating a plan. And you do that every time you see the patient. So if you look at your, charts of your loved ones, you'll see that they draw they drew, either c reactive protein, sometimes abbreviated as CRP, or fedrate. And then they put them on dexamethasone. And oftentimes, they never redraw that lab. Right? Because and when they do redraw the lab, the the the the, inflammation is still there. It's still up. It's not controlled with six milligrams of dexamethasone. And with that knowledge, they should be adding more, Decadron or or adding a steroid in some way and watching the c the CRP or the sed rate go back to normal. Otherwise, why are they drawing the the the lab in the first place? Does that help? Speaker 4: Yeah. That totally. And what is SOAP again? S o a p? Speaker 30: Subjective, that's listening to the patient. Objective, that's your physical exam and your labs. A is assessment, which is basically your diagnosis. And p is your plan. Speaker 5: And Speaker 30: I'm sorry. You sounded like you're gonna say something, and then you just faded away. Cece, you're you're muted. She muted herself. Speaker 4: Oh. Okay. There it goes. I didn't unmute myself. So that's what they should be doing every time they see the patient. Correct? Every time. Speaker 30: That's why the plans are supposed to repeat the labs that put them on the drug in the first place. Does that make sense? Your dexamethasone Yes. Is put on to suppress the the immune response. Your CRP tells you that the immune response is is, high. So you should repeat the CRP, and if the immune response is still high, you should increase the dexamethasone. Speaker 4: What's going on? They're doing the labs if they're doing the labs and they're not acting on them or adjusting things, then why are they even doing it? It seems like that'd be billing fraud. Speaker 3: So what they've done is they've hijacked the SOAP note. As a thirty year transcriptionist, I've seen all the iterations. And what they've done in these medical these electronic medical records is they have gone to a straight narrative instead of, SOAP. Right? And, so the doctors don't you can't you can't follow anything up in with just one little narrative and not not a, you know, subjective objective assessment plan. Right? And it's that same way in surgery too. Speaker 30: No. Sorry to not point. Are you telling me that that, this is normal? Speaker 6: Hi. Speaker 3: From what see, I worked in the, California prison. So I was a transcriptionist in in all 35 prisons. And what they did was they yeah. They have at least I can speak to California, but I'm pretty sure it's all been centralized and it's national now. And what they've done is they've cut that SOAP note down to just checking boxes and one little narrative. Yeah. Right? And where it used to be where we could correct, you know, things that were misspoken or whatever, as professionals because we could do that. We are part of the medical team. They've totally completely omitted us and use these electronic medical records. So nurses there's not even any nursing process left in my estimation. And and, that's a problem too because they go hand in hand, you know, glove in in hand with the doctor's plans and and his statement. Speaker 2: I I think that's consistent in what we see. Speaker 30: Yes. It is very consistent. I I, I guess confronted might be the most polite way of saying it. The, head of quality review. Because in my case, the, the doctor that okayed the Baker Act did no history, no physical, no labs, and his narrative, as you call it, describes delirium, not psychosis. So he had he oh, but he didn't have a diagnosis. Just, you know, it's okay to Baker Act. We'll call the, psychiatrist in the morning. So if I if anything that, they said was true about me, I'd have been dead by the time the psychiatrist got around to seeing me. Speaker 3: And and you can't you can't help but think that that's by design. Box checking and sliver of a narrative. Yes. Speaker 30: Yeah. Absolutely. By design. Literacy. And and but the good news is the the medical director did not say, oh, yeah. This is our standard of care now. So that's good. Speaker 4: Sorry. Now I I think I think Catherine has a question for you, though. Speaker 30: Yes? Speaker 29: Thanks. Take care. Speaker 28: Oh, I I have so many. So what I was saying earlier, one of the things that we're doing is we're we're trying to take part of these records, both individually and together, you know, because this was systematic. They did it in a systematic way, and, we are confronted with a a case or a group of cases. I think we're over a 100 right now, in Minnesota. And Minnesota has a longer statute of limitations for medical malpractice, three years. And so we're looking at that situation as a way to start taking apart everything that's going on. And not just from a medical malpractice perspective, but also from a fraud perspective. As we dismantle all of these, records and we can cross compare, I believe we have over 20 in a single hospital. Yeah. We're gonna be talking about the same doctors, same nurses, same procedures, and we're gonna have the same ridiculously short nurses notes and doctors notes that you guys were just discussing there, where there there's there's not even a narrative. It's it is exactly this. It is it is the little little check boxes, a little y, a little n, and and that's all these records are. Well, some of the records are that I've seen. But just what you were talking about there, doctor Gafonti, is is so important in terms of taking apart these cases, you know, offering up some other kind of explanation for why the person died and besides COVID. Because that's what most of these death, certificates says. Oh, they died of COVID. Well or or, yeah, just, you know, pneumonia or whatever. Just acute respiratory distress and and and all of that. Well, of course, there are other things that can cause that, like, you're giving them a huge amount of sedatives, which in depress respiration. And so there are going to be things in the record that are going to point towards the overuse of sedatives versus the, worsening of disease process. Things and things like redrawing those labs. I mean, exactly having that knowledge of how to take apart those records in a systematic way, they should have done x after they did whatever. And that would be just so monumentally helpful, with what we're doing. It's just having somebody, I mean, we have a number of nurses, but to have a doctor also to to look at some of these records and start taking it apart in that way so we can really start to say, this is the procedure that they did. This is why it's wrong, and start showing, okay, why did they do it that way? We know the reason why they did it that way. They did it for the money. And that's how we get them, is we get them through the money. So, I mean, I'm I'm I would love to talk with you afterwards and then and if you're if you're willing to I'll connect you. I'll connect you on email. Speaker 30: Yeah. Well, it's I you know, I do one of these cases a a morning, and then it's I'm too depressed to do another case. Speaker 2: Yep. Speaker 30: It's I don't know how to say say it. So I'm I'm looking at this case. Right? It's just a simple patient comes in with a pneumonia that's controlled on antibiotics. Fine. The the CRP, the the inflammation is up. Great. The, doctor that sees him says, okay. We need, you know, we need to, get multiple CRPs, multiple ferritins, multiple procalcitonins to make sure that he doesn't, get sepsis or another infection. Next doctor takes over. Won't listen to the to his colleague, and wouldn't listen to the specialist. And then, you know, and it's it's like they're all saying the same thing, and he's saying, hell no. I I it I don't know how to say how bad this is, but you've all experienced how bad this is. Right? You you're all basically, widows because of this insanity. And, you know, I don't I've from the lawyer's point of view, you cannot have informed consent if the doctor that's making the orders doesn't know why he's making the orders. And if they're following a, a protocol, which is, you know, is obvious because it's not just Sarasota Memorial Hospital, Heck, I'm looking at charts all across the nation, and they're all doing the same stupid thing. And and so it's they're following a protocol. They can't give the patient informed consent. And I've been hearing, the, staff, you know, the nurses and doctors saying to the patient, you're trying to control patient care. Well, of course, they're trying to control patient care. We're not here to give mandates. We're here to give advice. I've had patients who've said, yeah. I understand I have cancer. Don't I I don't want you to make my life miserable. I wanna go home. And we let them go home. Why? Because we give advice. The patients either take it or don't. Heck, my wife usually doesn't take my advice. Yeah. That's another story. That's shocking. Speaker 2: She should take your advice. Yeah. You know, you're talking about something, and I just wanna, take a second here, if you don't mind. I know people are gonna have questions for you, doctor Gelfante, but we talked about a a a few things in this little session here. So, we we have in all of the cases that we've documented and it's well over a thou well over 1,100, we have identified 25 commonalities in in all of these stories, and I want I just wanna go through them very quickly, highlights in because you've mentioned so many of them. Well, we've in this in this night. So, you know, the first one, which happens to almost everyone, is the isolation of the victim. The the as soon as the friends, advocates, pastors, or clergy. And I I I think it's you know, that's probably the most disturbing thing. We we see a a direct correlation between, survivors and nonsurvivors based on that that level of isolation. The and then it's strict adherence to the e EUA protocols. So, like like you were saying, you know, they they they're strict on the remdesivir, baricitinib, tesilizumab, whatever. And and, oftentimes, we even see in the records where these things are forced on a victim when when refused or, like me, manipulated to get my priest in. Another one is denied alternative treatments. You know? I you know, budesonide, vitamins, things that they even normally would have done, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, stuff that works. They know it works. So but denied they're denied any option of that, and sometimes they even make many false statements that they're not FDA approved or they don't work or whatever. And then you were talking about informed consent. You know, they're denied informed consent. Speaker 30: You can't give them informed consent. Right. The doctors don't know the doctors don't know why they're doing what they're doing. Exactly. Speaker 2: And that's with regard to, you know, medications, treatments, even in a intubation and procedures. Yes. And then the gaslighting. I know everybody who's a victim of hospital protocol, survivor or not, have experienced the gaslighting by hospital staff, constantly us constantly being told we're gonna die, if we don't comply with their with the hospital, with the ventilation and the protocol. And here's another one we see in almost every story is they say your love they tell the patient and the family they're a very, very sick woman or a very, very sick man. You know, they'll say that over and over again. Removal of all communication devices, call lights, glasses, phones happens almost every time. I talked about the dehumanization, you know, just being treated like an animal, with no common care. Another commonality is families have this pervasive sense of of wrongdoing. They we hear it over and over again where people are like, I I felt like something wasn't quite right. I felt like something was wrong. Vaccination discrimination. Soon as they find out you're not vaccinated, there's a mocking. There's so, like, in my case, there was some physical abuse for being unvaccinated, verbal abuse, scare tactics, scaring the family into getting it, and it oftentimes works. Your treatment never should depend on whether or not you're vaccinated. Speaker 30: The Yeah. Rapid I was asked if I was vaccinated. I I told the doc they're not it's not a vaccine. Yes. Right. Exactly. That was that was the end of that discussion. Yep. Speaker 2: Yeah. When I told the doctor I was not vaccinated, he patted me on the hand and said, I'm so sorry, missus Seiler. You're gonna die. So that was that was strictly because Time to get a new doctor. I asked one for one every day. He that man kept showing up. So, yeah, that's the first thing I did was fire him. The the rapid oxygen increase, you know, they I I don't it leads to a mechanical vent, and, you know, I did not know at the time that oxygen can be used to help you or or or kill you. And my husband certainly understood it was a gas exchange issue and throwing pushing more oxygen wasn't wasn't the, the the thing to do. Refer refusal to keep communicate with family or advocates. The doctors, nurses, hospital administration just refusing to communicate or give them any information, and then, of course, making them make very critical decisions with very little information, usually in the nighttime, which is another commonality, nighttime emergencies. Family gets woken up, pressured to make life life life life and death choices instantly with very little information. They scare you, confuse you. Dehydration and starvation, denial of food, water, any nutrition, and then given diuretics or laxatives, to which completely finishes the job there. Restraint abuse, both physical and chemical restraints being used and not following the legal requirements. Bathroom you know, denying the use of bathroom, forced onto a catheter, rectal tube, nonemergency ventilation. You know, families are often told, that's just to give the lungs a rest. It's unnecessary and shouldn't be happening. DNR pressure. You know, pressured into signing a DNR or like in my case, I told them I was not a DNR, and the doctor would say, yes. You are. They made me a DNR even though I said I was not a DNR. And we couldn't even get a lawyer we got a lawyer, and he couldn't even get it changed. So Wow. It was really bad, and it was pretty that's probably the that's really scary, you telling a a doctor or nurses that you're not a do do not resuscitate. And them telling you you are is absolutely frightening. Palliative care pressure. The victim or family is often pressured into palliative care or hospice. The family sometimes is denied participation in the consult meeting, or it's ordered without consent, or the family is only allowed to go into Speaker 9: the room Speaker 2: if they agree to palliative care, and they don't understand that they're basically palliative care has been used to euthanize people. So Yes. Yes. It's it's it's not supposed to be that way, but it has become that. And so families don't understand sometimes that they're what they're signing. And so, Speaker 30: No. No. They think they're going to make them comfortable. Yes. Right. Because they're just gonna make them dead. Speaker 2: Yep. Exactly. So be people need to be aware of that one. Isolated even in death, denied access to a dying victim. You know, Andy had they were forced to watch through glass. And, many people we've heard even denied access to view the body after death. Denial of last rights is another thing we hear a lot or any type of religious sacraments. Police and security involvement, that's very common. That's a commonality. I mean, it shouldn't be, but it sure is. And, like, Andy's case, the police were, pretty much the brown shirts. In my case, six police officers, a six hour standoff, you know, before my husband could take me home. They were definitely and they were not there to help us. We're not there to help us. So, yeah, police and security. Doctor Guilfante, I think you were even Baker acted, weren't you? Speaker 30: Yes. I was Baker acted because I asked to leave the hospital. Yeah. So Speaker 2: it happens. People are a lot of times, people are like, yeah. Why don't you just leave? Because you can't. It's, you're caught up in that medical matrix, and you got a bounty on your head. Speaker 30: Yeah. Speaker 2: Yeah. Hospital infections and injuries are, another commonality. Sepsis, MRSA, hospital acquired infections, pressure sores, skin tears, and necrosis. Speaker 4: Okay. Broken noses, Speaker 2: black eyes. Those things in in bed sores are 100% preventable. Do Speaker 30: you yes. Speaker 2: Absolutely. So and which leads to the neglect. Neglect of basic care, hygiene, grooming, bathing, linen changes, washing, mouth care. You know, my hair was matted. I had thrush. It was, you know, almost every story we hear about the lack of basic care. Yeah. So, oftentimes, the victim themselves will have sent out messages like the hospital is trying to kill me or torturing me. One mother I interviewed, when she got her son's phone back, he had texted his friend saying he'd he was, like, 23. He's he texted his friend saying he didn't think the hospital was gonna let him leave there alive. And, I know I certainly sent out those messages. I think a lot of people sent out those messages. We hear it a lot. Some peep some victims even made videos on their phones just so your family would have them. Speaker 30: I did that. Speaker 2: Yep. Because it would you know, I took I took photos and sent messages so people would know what was happening on the inside. Yeah. It's very I mean, Speaker 30: they would not give my roommate, they wouldn't let him talk to his doctor. Speaker 2: It's it's insane. Speaker 30: Yeah. I mean, since when can't you talk to your doctor? Speaker 2: I know. Speaker 30: Isn't that why we're in the hospital in the first place? Because we need a doctor? Right. And, you know, and and the last Speaker 2: commonality is unqualified staff or inconsistent care. Like, they're you know, treatment by travel doctors, foreign doctors, FEMA in a lot of places, and just, you know, unqualified medical staff. I know that was certainly the case in, you know, in my case, and we see that over and over and over again. So, yeah, it's those are all the commonalities that we found in these cases in in the stories we've done, and it consist it it it seems to, seems to be, you know, consistent even with new people that find us. In fact, many people go to the commonalities, which can be found at chbmp.org/commonalities. They read that, and and even people who are not sure what happened to their loved ones, They read that, and and it's like that trigger moment where they're like, they're like, oh, yeah. My loved one was was murdered. So share it because that as people's as people start to to read through that, they identify with those things happening, and then they will understand that their loved one did not die of COVID, that they were murdered in that hospital. So Cece or Andy, you got anything to add to that? Speaker 30: I know that was I'd like to say something. Yeah. Speaker 20: I I I can, but I'll let you go ahead, doctor. Go ahead. So Speaker 30: I've been seeing, these doctors draw the labs and then do nothing about the lab. And it seems to me that this is a doctor under duress. Now maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's they've trained the doctors to be stupid. Speaker 2: Yeah. Speaker 30: But I, you know, I I I find it hard to believe that they would train them to be stupid because why how how would they know enough to buy to get the lab in the first place? Right? You you does that make sense? Right? If you don't Yes. Totally. You know, you know what it's like to look at these charts. Right? You look at the charts and, you see all these different labs that they're drawing. So when you draw a lab because of, you know, whether you, you know, put a cookie cookie cut cookie cutter response already made by the by the electronical medical records or not. When you draw that lab, what you're doing is you're you're thinking, okay. So I think he's got this, and so I'm gonna do something, you know, about it. Okay. Fine. So, I mean, when I evaluate a chart, I I never look at what the doctor says until I look at what the doctor's done. Right? I mean, yeah. It seems to Yeah. That makes total sense. You've seen my my reports. Right? It's basically a spreadsheet of where the of what the labs were and what treatment, you know, came along at that time. So when I see a doctor drawing labs that shows that he knows what's going on and then he doesn't respond to what's going on, you know, normally, that's when I figure somebody's got a gun to his head and is basically saying, you will treat it this way or you, will no longer, you know, have a job or something. Speaker 4: I don't know. So who is that? Who is that doing that? Speaker 30: I don't know. My assumption is that it's, it's either my assumption is that it's probably the CEO. Although, the CEO, seems to uniformly deny it. Speaker 3: I think it comes down from on high, and that would be Javier Becerra. It could be. He's a lawyer first. Speaker 30: It could be. It's it's somebody. That's for sure. Right? Because that you know, the doctors don't order the order the tests for nothing. Right? That there's they're thinking something when they order the test. And to not respond to a test that they ordered would indicate that somebody's pressuring them. Speaker 3: That makes me think maybe maybe that that what they're doing is covering their covering their butts by just ordering the minimum of tasks. That's kind of the No. Feel I get. Okay. No. Speaker 30: No. So imagine that you're you're you're an embezzler, and I don't know how to embezzle. I I I barely well, actually, I don't balance my own checkbook. My wife does. But one of the things you don't do as an embezzler is, write the checks write large checks bound to be noticed to yourself. Well, what's going on in, in these charts is exactly that. They're, they're doing labs that say, okay. This is a problem. And then they're they're not treating the problem. And, I I had the opportunity to listen to a, to listen to a a pulmonologist tell a friend of mine that he could not change the dosage of the Decadron. And not only could he not change the dosage, but, he he couldn't repeat the CRP because he wasn't allowed to change the dosage. I was like, I mean, come on. That's that's insane. Speaker 5: Does that not come from the edicts of the of insurance companies and and whatnot? Speaker 3: I mean, like, I I get I get what you're saying. But to the layperson, nobody's gonna know that. Right? That's why you have to Like like you say, you don't know how to embezzle. Well, a lot of people don't understand what's going on in medical records and and such Yeah. Or am I way off? No. No. That's that's why you have me on this call. Speaker 30: I mean, I assume. It's certainly not my prowess at, not my prowess at at at figuring out, Twitter. Speaker 4: It's funny. Speaker 30: You have me on this call because, because I can look at a chart and say, okay. This is what seems to be going on. And, you know, as far as I can tell from what's going on, the docs are basically prisoners, trying to get, somebody to see and see what's going on. I mean, you know, that that's what it looks like to me. Speaker 4: I mean, how do you make that many doctors not be doctors anymore? That's just what's so baffling. Yeah. Speaker 30: These are good questions. I don't know how you make a doctor give up medicine. I you know? Speaker 3: Like Money Insurance insurance companies, I c d ICD nine and CPT codes. Speaker 20: If I may interject real quick, folks, I will let you know that, you know, the the bottom you know, there's there's that bottom line everyone's thinking about in that administrative level in hospitals where we're talking about how they're calling the shots. Understand they see you like you're an an annuity. You know, you come in and they see dollar signs. They do the tests, and then you do all these drugs. And then, you know, COVID money from the ventilator. COVID money from from Desivir. COVID money for just saying on the death certificate, it was COVID. And, you know, the the real sick part about it is some of these people actually get a kick doing it to people. They're getting a kick out of screwing with you and being jerks to you. So, you know, bringing to light the malicious intent, not just the the the financial gain people are making, but the malicious intent behind the financial gain. K? So when you go and look at your 25 commonalities, when they take away your phone, k, they won't let you talk to your family. They isolate you. All these things. They They call you in the middle of the night. You gotta make a decision. What do I do with my dad? I don't know. Watch him die through glass. That's a terrible decision. Terrible option. That was mine. So we have to show, the world that the malicious intent behind the profiting of the deaths of your loved ones. You gotta do it in a poetic way, though. Where it's not like you're just someone that's grieving. You have someone who has data, and you're showing, look. This is what's going on. Look at all these people that went through the same exact thing. Same thing. Cookie cutter. Speaker 4: Well, they made all these doctors hate the unvaccinated so bad that that's probably where that, you know, comes from. And we've got doctors that tweeted out that the unvaccinated would be clubbed to death like a baby seal or the, unvaccinated monsters. These are doctors that were head over the entire COVID unit. So, yeah, that's that's the atmosphere that the unvaccinated person is walking into. And a hospital should not care what your vaccine status is. They just need to save your life and treat you the best they Speaker 6: they can, and that's not they they've made these doctors, nurses hate being vaccinated so bad. And then on top of that, Speaker 20: the experience people have after going through this like, I won't go into too much detail with my my aftermath with my mom. But, you know, I to this day, I have to be kind of there for her because she's not what she was before my dad died. You know, she changed completely. And physically too, you know, she fell down the stairs one night. She, she was a little disoriented and, under the influence and instead of taking her little elevator to her room, she decided to take the stairs and now she she can barely walk. She broke her back. She fell down the stairs. So, you know, the this is all like this chain reaction, the domino effect of what happens in the hospital. It, like, it comes out into people's lives aft long after that person's dead. The people that were attached to that person are very affected, not just economically, psychologically. So we gotta show people this. People need to know how bad it really is. And it's PTSD is a real thing. If people don't know what PTSD is, I tell people go watch the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan. That's PTSD to me. Speaker 4: So Yeah. Denise and I were just talking about this on a podcast, the aftermath of the protocol deaths and the or the vaccine deaths and what what the trail of destruction that they've laid behind because you're eyewitnesses to a crime, basically. Speaker 20: Yes. Yeah. And and and the and the to I I I mean, I lost count how many times I would be at a grocery store trying to help my mom get her groceries, and she would just flip out and scream and cry. And people would come over and say, what the hell is going on? Are you alright? And I'm like, and I would I would explain to them what happened. Now I have my cards. I'll just give it to people. But, you know, I, that that was a really amazing exercise to go through. It was it was like a field day every day. It was, it was beyond doing a chore. It was like trying to get through hell. You know, shoot your way out of hell kinda thing. So, that has to be documented. People need to talk about the aftermath of of their experience at a hospital. You know, that was bad, but what happened after that, you know, I went to therapy for almost for a little over two years. You're talking about $25,000 Speaker 26: I could've spent I could've bought a car. Speaker 20: I'm just I mean, it's really think about it. I could've taken money and put it in something like a dividend paying stock or in 4% of interest on my money. No. Instead, I spent it on therapy. You know? It's amazing. Speaker 4: So Well, they made you watch your dad violently die, and you end up seeing behind glass while it's happening. I mean, that's a traumatic experience that you never forget. Speaker 7: Yeah. So there you go. Speaker 9: Can I ask back something or make make a statement to the doctor? Go ahead. Yes. One of the things that I've found in my husband's chart is that, the docs weren't actually going into the isolation to see them. They were calling on the phone, and he didn't answer most days and said they talked to the patient and then talked to me, and I never heard from nobody. But my point is, how were they not going into isolation if they were the isolation docs? It made it makes absolutely no sense that they that they're not even they weren't even next they weren't in there with the patient. I mean, over and over and over in his chart, I'm seeing call the patient. The patient didn't answer but understands all care. Speaker 4: We we hear that a lot. We should make that a commonality. Speaker 9: It doesn't make I mean, I I was like, you gotta be kidding me. So I just was wondering, like, what the doc had to say about I'm I'm not saying about you, but I'm just saying, have you ever, as a doctor, heard that? Because I've been a nurse thirty years, and I ain't never heard of it. Speaker 30: Are you talking to me? Speaker 9: Yes, sir. Speaker 30: Have I ever heard of, of? Speaker 9: Them them seeing the patient from on the side other side of the glass saying there's but they called the patient on the phone, but the patient didn't answer the phone. But he understands the, care he's gonna get or what they're doing or but they never even physically were touching him or seeing him or putting a stethoscope to his body. Yeah. No. I mean, I understand that Speaker 30: telemedicine is, reimbursable, but, that, is not real medicine. Speaker 4: Not when they're in the hospital, though, and the doctor never comes in to see him. What I'm saying. They're in isolation. Speaker 9: Yeah. And the doctor that's assigned to the isolation isn't even going in the room. Yeah. Speaker 30: That's crazy. Yep. That's that's crazy. Speaker 4: They treat people via iPads. They, they like Gail, they'd never even touched her, and they would the doctor would just treat her by iPad, like, way across the hospital. Speaker 3: Maybe they're billing that as telemedicine. Speaker 9: Yeah. That's why they're doing the assessment from the desk down the hall 400 yards away. The same. Speaker 4: Thanks, Zach. I appreciate it. Better if they see him or not because they're still just following the same protocol. Yes. And I'm pretty sure that's what they think. Speaker 30: Right? Speaker 28: Well, if they are charting that they are talking to the patient, they are and that that is something that they charge for. That is fraud. So situations just like that are are ones we want to to to pull out because exactly that's been happening. I I can't I can't even say it many times I've seen it, but that is fraud. Speaker 9: It's documented over and over and over. That's I mean, I can't believe they were documenting. That that really shocked me the most. It was actually documented. Speaker 4: Well, I've seen it where they documented, Speaker 28: and the person is, you know, RAS negative three or something. Speaker 9: The patient understands all cares. Yeah. I got that too. And the next minute, it was like, this was the biggest one too is, that when he had to have the, hemoglobin, his hemoglobin was 20.1. And they needed to pull it off, and the orders went in two days, but they couldn't find anybody in the hospital that knew how to do it. And then the weekend came, so whoops. Can't do it on the weekend. So but it was an emergency. But I got called the day after they did it or or hours after they did it, after the weekend, of course, when they couldn't do it or couldn't find I mean, they called the lab. They called the oncology. They call and nobody knew how to do it. Wow. That was just Speaker 4: that was a big one. We had a case where the doctor YouTube how to ventilate somebody. So yeah. Speaker 9: Oh my god. Speaker 6: Wow. Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what happened to medicine, but this is not medicine. When we lost it is I think you were saying, like, '73 or '83, doctor Gavanti, but I don't I mean, why even go to medical school? If you're not gonna be a doctor, you're just gonna follow a recipe and just follow orders. Speaker 30: Yeah. I've you I have, similar questions. Actually, I I trust of, of a a ton of people that we'll never get back. But, we need to, you know I mean, well, my daughter is alive. She has to go and see, pay she's a doctor from time to time, and I would like that doctor not to kill her. Speaker 4: Exactly. I mean, you can't let your loved one go by themselves at all. You have to stay with them the whole time. Speaker 30: Yeah. Speaker 4: And that's where it's gotten. I mean, it used to be feel safe to go to the hospital because, okay, you're I'm in a safe place. They're gonna get me well. They're gonna take care of me. Now it's like a horror movie if you have to go. Yeah. So it's good. You, doctor Bain, doctor Witcher, and the other handful are gonna be really busy the next century because we're y'all are the only ones we trust. We always say, if you are if you are fired or got your license ripped, then that's still the doctor you want, and that's so backwards. Speaker 9: Or if you're a veterinarian. Speaker 4: It's crazy. It's crazy. We know never to go to the hospital alone, and we know never to take another, shot. I won't even vacc my dogs. No. Speaker 30: Right. I I you know, my I I'm I'm now a new granddad, and, my daughter asked me, should I, you you know, get vaccines? And I said, you know, hon, you can't really tell if the vaccine's a vaccine anymore. There's no real proof. And, you know, and they they know that they're basically free of, any suit no matter what they do. So that's that. Speaker 20: We, we have, someone has their hand up. A new special guest, Wei Sung Lin. Hello. Speaker 31: Hi. Hi. Good. Yeah. I've been to some of these, spaces. So I I'm not a hospital doctor, so I cannot speak with a direct experience. I've been outpatient internal medicine for for about fourteen, fifteen years. Prior to that, we used to, you know, take care of outpatient, inpatient, everything. But, you know, as, you know, the hospitalist, thing became a thing that we retreated out of the hospitals. Pay patient cares are definitely more segregated. And and the hospitals you know, one of the reason why, they order labs and they may not seem to make a difference, and that's not just with COVID that even prior to that or after that is that everything is, packaged in the computer order set. So if someone is in for pneumonia, there's a pneumonia order set. If someone is in for heart condition, there's a heart condition order set. So you you just click the order sets and everything just go, like, sort of autopilots, in that sense. And, you know, it it that was before COVID, and I I tried to fight the hospitalist to to order a, BNP, to assess how well they've treated heart failure before discharge. They they say no. No. It's not in our protocol. And that's, you know, something even something simple like that. And they they're just doing protocol. Evidence based medicine as a trend began to kill medicine because, it seemed like a good idea. You do everything that there is evidence for, but gradually, people don't think. They just, you know, go with whatever guideline that's been put in front of them, and they will just, you know, do what they're told. And then the grad and then the insurance added incentive to it. That is if you do exactly what, quote unquote, according to the metrics, then your your pay would increase, and that's another thing. But, in in the COVID, I I can offer just a couple of, observation, helping some of the people from the outside. One of my patient who who was, you know, vaxxed three doses, during the delta wave. So so he he was in, and he he got eventually died. And and his wife came back and told me that, oh, my husband was taken such good care of because they all all the nurses and doctors loved him and told me that he's done everything right. And therefore, they really loved him and and just gave him extra good care, which would mean that those that they didn't love, that those that did not get the vaccine would not get the extra love. So I had, one of the thing that I I also concur with something you mentioned about a common commonality is the rapid use of oxygen. I think the high flow oxygen nasal cannula was something that's deployed too readily, and they put people on the 40 to 60 liter oxygen flow pretty regularly when they went to the hospital for COVID. And once they're on there, it became very difficult to get them out. There were two patients that, you know, through the American four nine, doctors and American four nine nurses that that contacted me and that I agreed to accept them to treat them after they went out. But, when they say finally get everything, including the home oxygen tank ready, do they go to the hospital? They will scare them. You're on forty and forty to 60 liter now. What what can your home oxygen tank do? It won't even last to your home. So so they ended up even after all the preparation and everything, they stay and eventually died. And one of them was, intubated in the middle of the night. We had actually a video call with that patient thirty minutes before he got intubated, and he he was okay. He he just, you know, was able to speak in full sentences and and everything. He was fully with it, and then his wife left. The hospital went home, and then thirty minutes later, I got a phone call and said, we had to intubate him emergency. Yeah. Yeah. Being from the outside, I can't say that it's necessary foul play, but but it just it it does defy logic a little because that's thirty minutes ago. We just had a video conference. Speaker 4: We hear that all the time. All the time. Speaker 31: Yeah. Yeah. So so then when when it happened so frequent, then then you you have to just say, wait a minute. Diseases don't just happen like that. I mean, sometimes, people get a blood clot thrown to the lung, that may change that fast. But, usually, just information change, it doesn't go with like, thirty minutes ago, you were just okay. But but I think the, the use of the high flow oxygen, was really a precursor to that. And so after knowing about it, I you know, for the people that I could advise to that even if they go to osteoarthritis, just insist on not getting the high flow oxygen. Only get the regular. The regular oxygen, the nasal cannula may get you to six, liter per minute. And it's okay to have oxygen saturation 85, 88. You won't die from from 85, 88% oxygen. But if you get on the high flow, everybody that I knew get on high flow, basically, then they they all progress to intubation and and and very rarely come out. Speaker 30: Yeah. They they put me on high flow. But when the nurse went away, I reached over and turned it down. Speaker 31: Okay. Yeah. You know, and when you do a literature search yeah. But but, you know, the oxygen toxicity after after twenty four hours, if you have, high flow oxygen, it caused oxygen toxicity in the lungs, increased fibrosis, increased the, thickening of the of the membrane. So so if the high flow last for more than 24, it began making things worse. Yeah. Speaker 9: And Speaker 4: Yeah. But you have you do do that doctor because you're a doctor, but the rest of us don't know how to work the machines. Speaker 31: Yeah. So so I I after I learned about that through the two who, I had connection with died, so everyone that I, you know, when I was helping from the outpatient, if they go to the hospital, I said, just say insist on not getting the high flow. And and they were able to resist that. And and did they did much better. They were able to survive. It was it's it's a very horrible time. I I think some of the doctors and and I'll give you another piece of antidotes is is that during my communication with the medical director about how to treat, you know, she he said he literally wrote on his, email to me that, you know, our doctors are so so burned out and so worn out taking care of these, COVID patients. And so many of them are resentful of people who were not vaccinated. And and he said, and I think that's justified. Speaker 4: Wow. As a medical director. Yep. Yep. We hear that all the time too. Isn't that disgusting? Speaker 31: Yes. As as a medical director, I don't think that is, you know, a position that a ethical medical director can make. Okay. Yeah. Can take. So and and so and that obviously would translate to how they treat the patient, who who were not vaccinated. Yeah. Speaker 9: Can I ask both the docs something on the the oxygen stuff? Because isn't it normal? Like, don't you anybody with lung problems, you usually don't use high oxygen because of that reason. Right? So anybody that's, like, had COPD or whatever, it's always you never went above three. If you went to four, that was that was high. So how was that well, not contraindicated is what I'm I guess what I'm asking. Speaker 31: Yeah. Yes. So so, I mean, for usually for chronic oxygen, low oxygen, the you know, that that was a different reasoning for concern that if the oxygen level is too high, it decrease your drive, and, therefore, you have c o two Speaker 9: No. I understand that. But I think Speaker 31: long term. Yeah. Right. Right. But but for some reason, you know, once they get to COVID, they they think it's all acute, then you just use as as much oxygen as you you need to. But I think the wrong part is to to, like, keep oxygen above 90% at all costs and that many patient, were able you know, when finally, we were what we were doing is to say, okay. I'm willing to go out on hospice. Just let me go. So after they go out on hospice, we'll order the oxygen tank at home, which can reach six liter. And and doing that, you know, maybe running eighty, eighty five, and gradually, they survive and they get better. Yeah. K. So Speaker 4: Yeah. They're venting So I think They're venting people very early, you know, with in in the high eighties. And Speaker 31: Yeah. Yeah. So so it it is wrong to to just feel like you have to be maintaining at, 90 and above that. But I think once most of the people that I knew that were on the high flow oxygen, don't don't come out. Yeah. They they always led to eventual ventilator. Yeah. So yeah. The the but but I I think even before COVID, the the doctors and and the the nurse practitioners, they were conditioned to protocol based, medicine. Speaker 30: So they're not thinking Everything is They're just doing Wow. What they've been Speaker 31: using? So there there are multiple reason. One is that they they are overworked to some extent. So if you have, twelve hour shift, you care for, say, 18 patients. So you have so many round ons of discharge planning and writing the notes and then a couple of admissions. So so it is very, very time consuming. And so they end up just, doing exactly what the the package have been done for them. So you order, yeah, emission pneumonia pneumonia package and and do that. And and we call the, the computer general generated notes called the note bloat. Because, yeah, you can you can click click and and it'll generate five pages of, records in no time. Yeah. So so, yeah, I mean, it looks like you've done a lot, but but it's just, you you know, couple of clicks in move the notes from previous. And and so so it's so it, rewards, just going along, not rethinking, how to solve the problem. Wow. Yeah. So it's so so if you have a so, I I mean, there there are certain benefit of that. I I mean, if you go in for a hip replacement Yeah. You go in for a, angiopacity, I think this works well for the most part that, you you know, because if you do things exactly the same way, you know, the precision and effort works well. Right. That's good. But for for insect for an infection, that is yeah. Yeah. So because the interaction changes. Yeah. Not everybody with yeah. The same way. Yeah. Speaker 4: You sound just like doctor Giafanti. They forgot how to think or not or don't wanna think. Speaker 31: Well, well, well, that's exactly what I told the medical director. I I volunteer to help out in the COVID clinic. He said, are you going to follow the protocol? I said, I'm gonna make checks. I'm gonna make decision based on how the patient is. He said, if that's the case, thanks, but no thanks. Speaker 4: Oh, wow. We need you as a whistleblower because that's that's interesting information right there. That's clutch. So They don't want you to be a doctor. They just want you to follow the protocol regardless who your patient is, and that's this is not medicine. Speaker 30: No. And and you can't give informed consent if you just follow the protocol because you don't understand the protocol. Right? It is it is designed by somebody else. Speaker 4: And how can you use the exact same protocol on every single patient when we're all different and have different issues? That's the whole thing. I mean, that's just like a four year old could figure that out. Speaker 31: Yeah. Speaker 4: Makes no sense at all. I mean, everybody has different things going on with them and reacts differently to and you're gonna use the exact same product. You already have six milligrams of dexamethadone to someone three hundred pounds and somebody ninety pounds. Speaker 31: I mean, it Yeah. That one yeah. That that one, Yeah. That one, I think doctor Corey and doctor Malik, in their, you know, the testimony, they to mention that, I think the NIH intentionally set the study protocol at the very low dose and and then use that to justify fixing it for for every institution. That that is so horrible. Yeah. It it defies medical logic, and I'm not a doctor, but I I understand. Right. Yeah. I mean, to even a just any COPD fare, we use sixty milligram four times a day or a hundred and twenty milligram of, netotradenisone every six hours. That's, you know, what we especially if the patient is not getting better. You you throw the kitchen sink and everything. Right? You don't say that, oh, yeah, six milligram is all you use. Yeah. I Speaker 30: I I had a a, friend whose father had a CRP of 195. And in that lab, normal was less than one. And he got the same six milligrams of dexamethasone, as I got. My mind was eight. So when we talked to the doctor about getting another CRP, he said, even if I got another CRP, I'm not I I can't raise the dosage. Speaker 29: Yeah. Speaker 4: Well, did you ask him why? Speaker 30: No. He was almost in tears at that by then. And, and, no, I didn't ask him why. Speaker 4: Do you guys know why? Yeah. Speaker 31: Yeah. Yeah. I believe that, early on, there was a whistleblower, in Tennessee that that it revealed that because, the additional reimbursement would be given only if the whole protocols would follow. Wow. The the the COVID reimbursement to the hospital. So they would get the you know, I don't remember what attend what additional percentage were given if the patient has COVID and then or if it's in ICU or if it's on ventilator. And and but, you know, the treatment has to be per protocol. So so they I I think they were pressured by the administration to to do everything per protocol. And and just say based on my communication with the medical director, you could see that, the the medic medical staff or leadership would kind of pick up that for the administration to to be the enforcement arm to to get the doctors to get in line. Speaker 30: I'm sorry. Who who is the enforcement arm? Speaker 31: No. No. The the medical staff. So so the medical staff leadership to to help the inform because, theoretically, the administration cannot make the doctors do things. Right. Theoretically because that that would be a violation of doctor's, medical ethic. But the medical staff use their leadership because they are medical director. They would tell you what is medically correct to do. Speaker 30: It's medically correct to do. Speaker 31: Yeah. So so that you know, I mean, that that was my experience. I I say I I would you know, as a almost thirty years experience intern internal medicine doctor, I would offer to treat outpatient for the patient so they don't end up in the hospital. Right. Is that well, only if you follow the protocol, which means no, no ivermectin, no, hydroxychloroquine, none of that. Speaker 30: Wow. Speaker 31: Yeah. Speaker 30: Well, that this has been enlightening. Speaker 31: Yeah. So so that's and so, probably, you know, I wasn't one of the bigger prescriber for the ivermectin because, I I'm employed by the hospital. And so for people who I suggested using ivermectin most mostly would get it from ivermectin.com or other places. Yeah. The local pharmacy is not gonna fill for them anyway. Speaker 30: Actually, the local pharmacy will fill your ivermectin if you're not using, one of the corporate pharmacies. Right? So Speaker 31: so you asked Yeah. Yeah. So Speaker 30: But Speaker 31: Yeah. Yeah. We The local We have some, compounding pharmacy that would do that. We successfully filled a couple of prescription, and they charge $700 per prescription. Speaker 30: Yes. It's cheaper than what you're I mean, real Speaker 31: yeah. I mean, you realize the risk they take so that so they charge more. Right. Speaker 30: Isn't that Speaker 31: So Speaker 30: sad that we're talking about United States Of America. Speaker 31: Yeah. Yeah. And and so one of the patient that I prescribed the ivermectin for actually reported me to the board. Really? Speaker 30: You sub you subscribed you you gave him ivermectin and then he reported you? Speaker 31: Yeah. Because, the the the patient has a, son or stepson from on the East Coast, and then they've heard about it. And then he said, oh, this is terrible. You know? This this is, you know, horse horse dewormer and the doctor should never have done that. So yeah. Anyways yeah. Yeah. And and the pharmacist wasn't helpful either. The you you know, the pharmacist threatened, you know, give give him a lot of scare and say, this would interact with your medicine and it can cause you to bleed and all these BS. So Speaker 30: Yeah. I can imagine. Speaker 31: So yeah. So so you don't you face face a lot of, you know, risk for and so I you you know, on the one hand, because most most doctors won't stand up and that makes those who stand up, risk more. But on the other hand, I I understand why they don't because when they do, they they do, you know, their $300,000 given loan may may not have anybody to pay for. Right. Speaker 30: Yep. I remember those loans. Speaker 31: Yeah. So it's but it it one of this this sobering part is that, the things gradually became so corporate oriented, and then all of a sudden, it's almost like you're watching the, Star Wars prequel number three. They they just you know, order 66 went out and Speaker 30: Yeah. Everybody shot the Jedi. Yeah. Speaker 6: Yep. Speaker 4: Thank you so much to both the doctors. I really appreciate the great insight. I'm disgusted by what I hear, but it's right on point. Unfortunately, it's true. We're getting close to wrapping this up, but let's go to Renee and then Gary. Renee, I believe, that that's who I'm supposed to be calling on. Okay. Go go ahead, Gary. Speaker 29: Yeah. I just wanted to say that, you know, the, people, you know, talking about getting trust back into the system. Well, this is gonna be a long time, I think, just because it it's not just the medical, portion of it. It's the regulatory and and, you know, and, obviously, it's the pharmaceutical companies. You know? All all is so corrupt. It's, you know, nobody's gonna trust any any portion of it until it gets, you know, cleaned completely. The other the other thing I wanted to mention was, my my mom, passed away. She was 90 almost 91. She, you know, she had taken the the, I'm not sure which which shock is she she got, but she ended up, to the point you know, at at one point, she couldn't she couldn't pass her stools. And, they were afraid to do anything, you know, to any operations on her because she was 91, almost 91, and, she wasn't they weren't sure that she would make it. You know what I mean? And then they were saying the quality of the care, you know, you know, her wife after that point would not be that great. So my sister made the decision, to to basically let her go. But she went three weeks over three weeks not being able to pass her stool, in excruciating agony. And the only thing that I can think of is she had had a, colonoscopy when she was eighty eighty nine, and, they didn't find anything. So I'm wondering if it's one of those turbocancers that come along in, you know, in her in her in her colon and, basically did her in. But, I mean, it's all speculation. But, you know, it's all very convenient how everything happened because, you know, there would be no way to prove it. Speaker 30: No. She got vaccinated. Is that what you're saying? Speaker 29: Yes. Speaker 30: Yeah. It it will take a while to prove it. Right? When, the Department of Defense data came out, the, I don't know what is his name. Senator Johnson said don't change the data, and they immediately went out and changed the data. Oh, it was, you know, it wasn't really that bad. So, you know, it it it's just like agent Orange. I I don't know, if you know how long it took for agent Orange to, finally be accepted as a bad thing for for, for the people that were exposed to it, but it took a long while. So the same will be Yep. The case here. Speaker 4: Yeah. I agree. It's gonna we're gonna be unraveling this whole thing for a while. I think somebody had a what? Broca. Hey, Broca. Speaker 22: Yeah. I haven't been around for a while. I'm sorry. I've been undergoing a TMS, which some may know around here. So I've kind of been overwhelmed lately. Hope to get back to helping, Hippy Dippy and the team, hopefully very soon as well as Gary. My background's in engineering, control systems engineer. I'm a lifelong patient of, multiple, vaccinations, including COVID damage, starting, likely with the MMR vaccine, which possibly caused the mesial temporal sclerosis. I always get that wrong. Is it temporal mesial sclerosis? I get I get it mixed up on the sequence. Anyway, left frontal lobe, but I I I confess God's been very much interceding, helping me talk better. I just kinda wanted to kind of look I I hate to look at the end of the end of the night on a depressing note, but I can't help but think back, to my German ancestors who fled in the eighteen hundreds, for fear of of, you know, what was uprising, the communism as well as Stalin back in the day. And so they fled here, And and, thus, my family, I go back, a lot of generations here in The U in Texas. So, but I I hate to say this, but I feel like we're, you know again, we I go back to Nuremberg two point o, that that use of that term. And I see I see our medical system going through what and our military going through the same thing that, Germany went through, during World War two. So, there are some sinister people who know exactly what they're doing, have evil motivations. Then there are those who are who are, in the military and including the medical environment and are forced to, practice things that go against their ethics, but otherwise are forced to do for fear of loss of their job, and possible further repercussions. I I I can't help but, you know, see the same scheme of events happening here. I I think that explains a lot of what y'all have been talking about. You know, how can we see the ethics of of these people going into question? Well, to be honest, it's it's been in our school systems for so long. Some of our children have been exposed to this, and it's kind of ingrained in their heads. So it's the the adherence to the general principles that are taught. Now some of us are outside of the box in that respect. We have a set system of ethics, but we have to realize that not everybody is outside of the box, so to speak. So sorry to leave it on a hard depressing note, but that's sort of what I'm seeing here. You know, I I just I think a lot of a lot of these medical professionals are kinda being forced into forced to to practice these things, for fear of loss of job, which is is very threatening as particularly in the with the economic environment today. Now I normally study neuroscience, but, you know, I have a, psychology is a big background, and I can't help but make a point that, that that's a that programming of our our our minds is is is, is quite susceptible. So, I see that today, and it's sad. But, I think there's a way out of it as well. Germany made it out of there. They're doing protests these days, for which I'm very proud of my ancestors because they're amongst the farmers, in in Germany. So I think we can get out of this, but I think we have to come to the realization that we're we're we're in essence turning into Germany of of the twenty first century. So sorry to leave it on bad note because there's there's so much to be optimistic for. But I think to ignore it would be to ignore, the you know, what history, is laid out. So sorry. Speaker 25: I I think there's hope, though. I I mean, Speaker 4: personally, there's not a job that keeping a job would ever make me take another human life. So, but I can certainly see where some people, you know, cage because of their of their job and wanting to keep their job. But, yeah, I always tell people if you if you ever wondered what you were doing what you would have done during the Holocaust, well, you're doing it now. So we have to we have to really step up and stick together and make a statement that this is not how we're gonna this is not how we're gonna do this, and we have to somehow figure out a way to get our every system that we have fixed from the education system to the medical system to the judicial system, the legislation. I mean, every system we have is broken. Every three letter agency is corrupted. We have a big, big task on our hand and a big war to fight. So we're gonna need everybody hands on deck, and the first thing we have to do is educate people and keep on doing it. And I know we get called crazy and tenfold hatters, and you're you know, if you're jab injured, they tell you that you have a mental disorder or it's menopause. That one pisses me off. And then that one really like, that one gets me. But it's true. And then just the gaslighting is incredible, and people are gonna get tired out and and cave and just say this is too big for me. But it may be too big for you, but it's not too big for all of us. So, I guess, I that's kinda where I wanna leave it. I'll just kinda spin broke this thing into a positive one. We don't have to be from the same culture. We don't have to we don't have to be speak the same language, and we don't have to even like each other. But we all have to want the same thing, and we have to unite under that one mission. So, another great space. Is there anybody else that wants to speak before we call it a night? Yeah. If you'd if you'd allow me a a few Speaker 11: Sure. Speaker 5: Sure. Speaker 30: First of all, you should know that NAZI stands for National Socialist, Party. So it was, basically a mixture of fascists and communists. And in Germany at the time, the fascists went out. Well, I don't know. Maybe thirty, forty years ago, the communist, in America took over the unions. And the unions are, a huge, voting block in, the Democrat Party. So the communists, well, I'll just give you an idea. One one of the unions, of course, was the teachers union. And the teachers union is you is 10 of the nomination for any president in The United States. So it's bigger than any state in the union. So what you're seeing is, what you're seeing is very, very real. It's not you know, it's you just you're you're you're seeing the real thing, and you're saying to yourself, this looks like, you know, Germany in the, yeah, what? Germany in the in in the, thirties? Speaker 3: Thirties and forties. Speaker 30: And that's because it is Germany in the thirties and forties. So sorry, but that's just the way it is. And it's, you know, it's not it's not unusual. Right? It's not like, it's not like they, it's not like we didn't know or we didn't see this, phenomena coming. We did. Yep. Speaker 4: Yep. Do you know what we have that they didn't have? Twitter spaces and so and social media Yeah. Where we can collaborate and we can communicate and we can plan and we can strategize and we can come together. Yeah. So that's you know, I don't think they were really planning on that, and we have to use that to do exactly what what we're doing right now and build these spaces up and build our our message out on every social media platform you can because there's no faster way to get out information than what we've been given right here. Last week, we had or the week before, we had, you know, almost 1,500 live listeners that, you know, those those listeners tell their friends and those friends tell put it on their Facebook and their faith those other friends put it on their Twitter. And next thing you know, you've reached, you know, ten, twenty thousand people. We have to completely do that all the time. It's exhausting. I know I've been doing it two and a half years, and I can't even keep up half the time. And it's just I you know? Oh, I gotta do another post. I gotta do another post. Yes. I have to. I have to. Well, I mean, look what's at stake. You know, the there's no more just half assed doing this anymore. You have to go balls to the wall. No more straddling the fence. That time is over. Pick a side. You're either on side humanity or on the evil side. So just just suck it up, realize this is what we gotta do, and let's do it. And I'm off my soapbox. I will as as Shell says, I will land my plane here. Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Cece. You're well set. And, with that, I think we will close it out for the night. Good night, everyone. Thank you so much for coming. Speaker 2: See you next Saturday. Good night. Bye. Speaker 6: Thank you. Good night. Thank you. Bye. Speaker 1: Thank you all so much, and thank you for all you do. Good night.